KTM 690 Enduro R - Rally Raid Evo 1 + Scotts Damper build

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  1. canadius_maximus

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    Hello,

    I know about the big 690 thread, but I didn't want the specifics of this project to get lost in that thread's wide breadth. Plus, there's already a somewhat parallel "Evo 2 kit " thread .... Finally, I'm sure I'll have a number of questions on the Evo 1 build that may be of some help to others in this boat. Or not - maybe I'm the furthest back in the short bus .... :lol3

    Purchased thus far rom the good folks at Rally Raid:

    Another data point - currently have OEM Renthal bars, no risers.


    Now to what else I need.

    1. Not realising the RRP020 didn't come with a submount, and bearing in mind the intended setup, it looks like I need a submount of some sort, no? Assuming that I should have added this to my order: http://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/ktm-scotts-mount-kit-08 Is this the correct part I need - and/or is there an alternate part?
    2. Does this remove the need for risers? Seems that sitting above the bar, the risers aren't a factor any more - though I'm wondering if with this kit, the handlebar cross bar will interfer with the damper (vertical spacing)?
    I'm short (5' 7"), so I'm looking at the bar risers only if required to fit the damper - am otherwise happy with the the position.

    Would love to start with my tank and fairing install, but I appear to be "stuck" with affixing the damper on the bars ....

    Thanks!

    CM

    PS - if anyone has a submount for sale that will work on my bike and damper (and not interfere with the RR Evo 1 tanks/fairings), that would be great.
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  4. canadius_maximus

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    Thanks for the replies, Dag and Lukas.<?xml:namespace prefix = "o" ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    Bearing in mind that I&#8217;ve got the RR tank + fairing kit, I believe
    http://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/KTM-690-Enduro-R-SMC/Bar-Accessories/ktm-690-scotts-damper-sub-mount-dm-sub-3528-01r will not work - at least as per their comment near the bottom of the page.<o:p></o:p>
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    Now, Lukas&#8217; suggestion about the HDB unit seems like the way to go &#8211; appears to have risers and mount all in one&#8230;.
    http://www.highwaydirtbikes.com/HDB_Shop/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=KTM_LC010<o:p></o:p>
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    I admit to being a bit confused about the HDB route is what option(s) for top and bottom clamps:<o:p></o:p>
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    1) Do I need an updated top clamp? I get that for future wired-in accessories, the ADV and ADVdx are good &#8211; but do I need anything at this point just to mount up the damper? At present the only accessory I have is a Garmin 60 GPS &#8211; that would be nice to wire in. Even in the foreseeable / distant future, all I see is an aux tripmeter, maybe a basic roadbook holder. Anyone want to comment on the merits/options from choosing the various HDB top clamps? What switchgear/lights/etc would reside in these various LED/switch locations?<o:p></o:p>
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    2) Under &#8220;Choose your Bottom Clamp&#8221; &#8211; not sure which option to pick:<o:p></o:p>
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    · KTM Lower Clamp (1 3/4").<o:p></o:p>
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    · KTM Lower Clamp Medium (2 1/8").<o:p></o:p>
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    · KTM Lower Clamp (2 1/2"). - Add $4.00<o:p></o:p>
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    · KTM Lower Clamp (3"). - Add $8.00<o:p></o:p>
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    Sounds like these refer to 4 different &#8220;riser&#8221; heights, that in addition to the stated 5/8&#8221; sub mount plate, contribute to final riser height? Again, if I don&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; risers (in terms of riding position) &#8211; then can I get away with either of the first two heights (1 ¾&#8221; or 2 1/8&#8221;)?<o:p></o:p>
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    Thanks &#8211; and apologies for all the questions. Just want to make sure those hard-earned bucks go to the right place &#8230;.<o:p></o:p>
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    Regards,<o:p></o:p>
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    CM<o:p></o:p>
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  5. bayarearider

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    All you need is to buy this - http://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk...nduro-bar-risers-steering-damper-scott-ohlins

    The damper will then line up with RRP020. I have the same set-up so I am very familiar with this.
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    Thread hijack!

    I am looking for some risers for new to me '08 690E. I need 1,5 - 2'' (3-5cm) rise over standard and possibility to add steering dumper, which I wont be adding right now.

    I need it to be sturdy, I fall a lot. :D

    I am thinking of mounting Touratech cradle for Garmin Montana on top clamp, but that's optional.

    Rallye Raid risers are very nice and look sturdy, but I have hard time to justify that price - over 250 EUR with 2,5 cm additional part.

    I am looking for HDB setup, and I like it. Way cheaper then RR - around 100 EUR and I can have rise I need.

    Anyone have some experience with this setup on 690E?
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    From post #50 of the big 690 thread - google is your friend, and so is the main 690 thread ...


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    I'm using Rox 2" risers... but on a R not an E.

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    Thank you for your effort but I am aware of that. What I am looking for is some info on HDB thingy monted on 690E

    Yea, Rox are great, I have them on other bike. Looking for other options now, want to try out something different. :)
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  12. canadius_maximus

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    I like the BRP/Scotts option too, inasmuch as it's rubber mounted. But according to their site, RR states that this doesn't work with their EVO fairing ... http://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk...m-690-scotts-damper-sub-mount-dm-sub-3528-01r

    I believe it's to do with the ignition cylinder being relocated. Anyone know conclusively why we can't use the BRP/Scotts submount with the EVO fairings?

    thanks,
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    Thanks TBone.

    By now I've gotten a good sense of what sub mounts exist for this bike - but the real query is which, if any, of these will work with the full RR EVO 1 tank + fairing kit?

    Right now, it appears only the one RR riser/ sub mount combo mentioned by Bayarearider works. Factoring the cost, the absence of rubber mount and or some of the features available on the BRP and HDB models I'd like to know whether or not these others work in with the EVO kit or not.

    Thanks, and Merry Christmas.
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    While I wait for my Scotts submount to arrive, I thought I'd plan out the order for the components .... I'm thinking

    1) Damper
    2) Tank
    3) Fairing

    I figure there's no sense doing the tank first when I'll want the access for the damper mount, tower, etc.

    Thoughts from EVO kit owners?

    thanks,
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    I'm confused. I'm getting ready to purchase the evo 1 kit myself. I already have a GPR damper on my bike. Will it not work? Do I have to buy new fork clamps also??? Like I said, I'm confused.
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    So before digging into this, (and because I'm a bit OCD/anal), I wanted to ensure I had everything in the kit.

    So I laid everything out, and a few questions emerged ...


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    So, in terms of the part #s affected ...

    5) Missing 4 x washers (no biggie)
    22) this should be a "brass Y connector" - mine is a T, as shown below. Is this a typo, or am I missing something ...

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    24) Missing 1 spring clip (also not a biggie)
    30) Missing the 2 x 7/16" washers
    31) Grub screws - where do these go?
    21& 32) Missing plastic T & 3 x hose. These appear to be for the tank breather hose setup - this is a significant oversight.
    37) Where are the collar bushings? Missing, or installed somewhere I can't see?
    40) I have 2 x M6 x 70 bolts, not 2 x M6 x 80 bolts. Need these for sure.

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    41) Missing 3 x M6 x 15 bolts ...
    43) Missing orange 8 x 2 O ring - if that's the one that's supposed to seal part #42 angle connector, it's not there. The angle connector is pre-installed, but with no O-ring.

    Separate from the missing parts, I'm wondering about the tank filler mouths. The finishing seems very rough/jagged. Is this normal? I know I theoretically could take the Dremel and finish it nicer, but a) I don't want to compromise the tank, and b) I'm loathe to fix something that I think could well have been done at the source.

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    Again, not wanting to throw the good folks at RR under the bus - I just am looking for some clarification in case I've missed something prior to digging into this feet first.

    Also, this build journal may hopefully help others - though I'm sure most are smarter at this than I am ... :)

    Cheers,

    CM
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    It's helping me. $1000 and a bunch of missing parts... and those tanks??? Wow.... I was going to do this but I'm out!!!
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    At least i would write a letter or fax / email and ask some questions....., and than depends on the answers.......what to do !!!
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    I've already sent them a question last week... I have yet to receive a response. I also downloaded the installation instructions. Lacking in detail is all I can say. It wouldn't be bad if I could ask them for help, but if it takes a week to get a response, or if I get none at all I'm kinda screwed.
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