KTM 690 luggage & rack thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by trallewatsch58, Jul 22, 2008.

  1. pebble35

    pebble35 Long timer

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    Just a quick note about Metal Mule - I used some of their kit (on a 650 V-Strom) earlier this year.

    It is carefully thought out and fits well - robust and quality pannier rails that fitted to the bike just as the instructions said.

    The boxes are also first class - however it is worth getting the side handles fitted as an extra as it makes the boxes easier to get on and off the bikes.

    Of course one of the features of the Metal Mules is the ease of getting them on and off the bike - and they make ideal seats for camping ..........

    They are expensive but you do get a quality product that will last for your next trip and many more.......
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  2. Seth S

    Seth S Will _____ for _____

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    I might be interested....would like to see some design photos or get an idea on how it differs from the one KTM offers.
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  3. dandini

    dandini Dan

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    Hi Seth,
    I'm taking my bike down for some R&D on 11 October. Will report back when I can with some piccies..
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  4. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    Hi Dan - +1 with Seth. I'm interested but would like to see some pics as well.

    I'd be really interested if he could make a good top box holder. I was going to make my own but haven't had the time. Something that you could attach a givi box holder to. The ones I've seen before seem too far back.

    I think I posted pics in this thread of my earlier LC4 where I could slide it back and forth about 10". That would be extra helpful on this bike with the fuel filler right where we want it to be.

    I'm not a civil engineer. When I mess around with making my own, I want it to be as strong as possible and the weight spread out. I'm guessing the KTM pannier rack is trying to do that with the arch in the support that goes down to the passenger footpeg?

    Sorry to keep rambling Dan, but 1 thing that would make me more interested in your friends pannier rack would be if it came off and on quickly and easily. I often ride a couple hours on the freeway and then (either planned or unplanned) ride off road for a while. I like to be able to throw mirrors/lights/rack etc in a top box and cable lock it to a tree. There's something cool about riding the same bike you were just riding for 2 hours on the road off road that just lost 35 lbs.

    Anyways, I'm definitely interested as well

    Ricky
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  5. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    Hey is Stephan from Germany still out there?

    I was curious how your rack looked with a top box ....

    How many km's do you have on your bike now? Last I heard you were winning that contest :)

    Rick
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  6. allbangedup

    allbangedup more vacation please

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    I too am interested in a rack, either Givi receptible for a top box only, or the top box with an option to add paniers. Do want easy fuel access.
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  7. dandini

    dandini Dan

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    Thanks all, will report back when I have more news on a Metal Mule luggage system in a few weeks.
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  8. mfaoro

    mfaoro Been here awhile

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    Dan - Looking at the best rest site yesterday I noticed that a rack+2 boxes cost upwards of $2250. Is that true? If so, can you tell us what makes them worth it? I mean - thats more than twice as much as Zega's.

    Michael
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  9. dandini

    dandini Dan

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    I can see your point. It's worth it to me but each person's needs are different. It depends what you want them for and how you use them. I want them to last for many trips - including long distance rugged terrain. I am a believer in buying good quality kit rather than cheapo workarounds- it generally pays for itself in the end and makes life easier. Don't want to spend my trips fixing stuff.
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    The main issue for me is the way the panniers lock onto the frame<o:p></o:p>
    TT The way they lock onto the frame and have to be removed is annoying. It will drive me mental after a while and it&#8217;s not what you need if you have to remove or fit the panniers quickly. It seems to me like it&#8217;s easy to get it wrong as you have to tighten things and make sure the locking lever is aligned with a cut out. . The mountings are weak and will fatigue. You will have to reinforce them (TT sell the bits to reinforce them!). The frames are reasonably ok, but not as strong as the MM and could be better.
    MM lock onto the frame really securely and easily. The frame is really strong.
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    TT Zega Panniers are not anodised - you get black stuff all over your kit unless you line them. I tried to line them and it&#8217;s hard because of the sticking out bits.
    MM are anodised
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    TT The insides have sticking out bits &#8211; nuts and bolts which could abrade your kit.
    MMs are completely smooth inside.
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    Lids<o:p></o:p>
    TT Lids are separate (some people think this is a good thing &#8211; I don&#8217;t &#8211;they can get forgotten and lost and you have to find somewhere to put them when you want something out of your pannier &#8211;you can buy and fit TT &#8216;hinges&#8217;)
    MM Lids are attached and open the right way
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    Security<o:p></o:p>
    TT You have to fit your own (tacky) locks x2 by drilling out or use padlocks.
    MM &#8211; One decent lock (provided)
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    Carrying<o:p></o:p>
    TT You have to buy and add handles and whatever else you need to carry them.
    The MMS have carry handles on the top and sides
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    Robustness<o:p></o:p>
    TT get bashed out of shape (but some people think this is a good thing)
    MM won&#8217;t
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    Ease of paddling<o:p></o:p>
    TT more square
    MM are slightly bevelled
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    Use as Seating/Centre Stand<o:p></o:p>
    I guess you can use either panniers for this.
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  10. mfaoro

    mfaoro Been here awhile

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    Thanks Dan! That is exactly what I wanted to know. I am still interested. Very.

    You should get MM and Best Rest to post your reply on their web sites. Their web sites use the tactic of 'its expensive but its worth it' but are short on details. You come away with a 'is that just marketing or what?' response.

    I appreciate your detailed response.

    Michael

    ps. is there a big weight difference btw the MM and TT panniers?
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  11. dandini

    dandini Dan

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    Subjectively, and from memory - I think they weigh about the same. Certainly not a problem.
    My friend is comitted to making the MM panniers work on the 690 whatever happens with the MM frame and has already ordered a frame and panniers for his GS1200 thus enabling him to have the same system on both bikes (shared panniers obviously). We collect them on 11 Oct which is when we go down to drop my bike off so I'll try to post some comparison pics then. In addition to the Zegas I've also got a set of Al Jesses in the shed for my GS Dakar so I could do a direct 3 way! I may well put a MM frame on the Dakar too and get rid of the Jesses if anyone is interested. They are great panniers - but sadly cannot easily be made to fit the KTM as they are shaped around the BM exhaust.
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  12. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    You can use them for a center stand? I was trying to use my pelicans (picture a few posts back) to change my tire but it just wasn't quite tall enough and the handles got in the way.

    You don't think they'd get crushed?

    ricky
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  13. dandini

    dandini Dan

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    Not tried it myself. Like I said just guessing. The MM looks like its strong enough to me. The TT doesn't look like it's strong enough but I've heard other travellers say they use it in this manner. Another one to try out.
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  14. wachs

    wachs just passin' through

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    Was asked to see if our system would bolt onto 690e, the 2 that came to our shop in Bend were gone within hours so we'd never seen one until yesterday. Northwest KTM of Gresham's Chris allowed us to inspect and test fit. We positioned the bag to allow fueling access, just enough to get the key into the lid and open the fuel cell. Right hand side requires 2 smooth head t nuts and hd urethane patch on cell to bombproof that connection. When he installs the Leo, it probably will not require a heat shield but in the meantime, a small mod of our existing stainless steel unit will prevent any melting. That can is huge!

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    Heat shield will bend to conform the stock header and still be double walled. (Not shown as I didn't want to risk scratching this brand new machine).

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  15. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    What is that Wachs? It looks pretty cool!

    Is that a generic bag or made for the 690 enduro?

    Do you have any pics of how it mounts?

    Ricky
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  16. wachs

    wachs just passin' through

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    We didn't actually mount the unit on his machine, just wanted to see if it'd work. Check it out: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=380264

    It bolts tight to the plastic with 1" fender washers on both sides of a brass grommet in the bag.
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  17. kave

    kave Gravel rules

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    You think it sits there while riding offroad?

    Any pictures of it expanded?
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  18. wachs

    wachs just passin' through

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    yes, check it out: www.giantloopmoto.com

    If it comes off you have much bigger problems!!:wink:
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  19. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    Wachs - do you need to drill holes in the fender to hold the bag on? How big?

    ricky
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  20. Sobiloff

    Sobiloff Adventurer

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    It looks like another batch of the rear luggage racks has arrived in the US; Cycle Hutt just shipped mine yesterday. I've had my order in for about seven weeks, so I'll be happy to finally get it! I'm really, really hoping that the tubing will work with my Ortlieb clip-ons...