KTM brakes vs real brakes

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  1. rattis

    rattis Long timer

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    I have the pleasure of having a 1200 GSA and a 990ADV, lucky me!
    The Orange beast has a nice gear box, a nice engine and good handling.
    The blue white has a nice engine REALLY good brakes and good handling.
    How do I get BMW brakes on my Orange beast, they're at least twice as good!
    And I really like good brakes, you can brake later and brake more safely and the difference in stopping distance might save the day/ your life.
    So, what to do?
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  2. jeventures

    jeventures Been here awhile

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    Ride it off-road.:deal You won't notice anymore. You may even be grateful they aren't grabby.
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  3. Two Moto Kiwis

    Two Moto Kiwis Homeless Somewhere

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    ....funny you should say that, my 990 SMR had double monoblock brembo radials which were so aggressive, now with the SE she pulls up no problem and you can squeeze hard but she won't lock very easy ... kinda pour mans ABS ... I quite like to be honest.
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  4. GVWR

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    You might try to put the paralever suspension on the KTM.
    Seriously, I had the BMW 1200 adventure and now have a KTM1190R and in my opinion the KTM brakes are superiour and even the suspension is superior (far superior) even if I don't really like the front springs on low speed. I think the KTM brakes are a little on the "soft" side for off road purposes but the braking power is very good and very controllable from my point of view.

    The difference for me lies in the paralever suspension which gives you a complete different feeling because the BMW will not dive during braking, which is very nice but didn't provide me with a good feeling about what the front tyre is doing, specially not in the wet.

    If you would put the BMW brakes on the KTM my guess is you would be disappointed cause your braking would not have improved. It's just a different bike with a different feeling with the braking and it's personal what is the way you prefer. Without the paralever the BMW braking results would probably be much less.
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  5. unaweep

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  6. MAXVERT

    MAXVERT OG on da OC

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    I'm assuming you have the standard model with ABS not the R.
    The initial braking with the abs sucks with a spongy lever feel.
    I've taken the abs off of several 990A's I've owned.
    The increased braking performance is substantial, plenty strong
    for the 21" front tire.

    You could always put a set super duke lower fork legs with radial
    calipers on but I think that would be to much in the dirt.

    Max
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  7. Yellow Pig

    Yellow Pig Allergic to asphalt!

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    Shoot, my SE only had one brake on the front. :lol3
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  8. Katoom72

    Katoom72 Been here awhile

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    the adv has offroad oriented brakes. Try some KTM roadbikes if you want to feel real KTM brakes.
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  9. el queso

    el queso toda su base

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    Buy a 70 vintage street bike and take it for a spin. Then you'll appreciate the 990. :D
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  10. KaytM

    KaytM Just a fella.

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    I agree(d) with the original post but went on a closed course for motorcycle testing and really explored the ABS on the front wheel.
    It isn't great in it's initial bite as you say but believe me slam that bad boy on hard enough and all the bite you'd ever need is there.
    I would recommend to all 990ers to go find the boundaries of their front brake on a quiet backstreet somewhere.
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  11. ciedema

    ciedema мотоциклист

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    Just ride around in Halifax traffic without paying attention and you find how good it works. :rofl

    Actually the abs on the front is pretty damn good - I have it save me in snow, mud and dry payment.
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    You must not be married.
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  14. rattis

    rattis Long timer

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    No I'm not married but I have a SO with whom I've been living for umpteen years but what this has to do with the KTM brakes is beyond me!
    Do explain yourself my good man.

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  15. rattis

    rattis Long timer

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    It's funny how some brand fanatics get uptight when you find something wrong with "their" brand.
    I have one BMW and two KTM bikes one ADV and one SE and the stopping distance paralever or not, is shorter on the BMW with standard brakes and no upgrades whatsoever.
    And in some test that I've read, IIRC, the testers weren't very impressed by the KTM brakes, so be it.
    I sort of wanted advice or tips on how to pimp my brakes and not some nonsense about that I should be grateful for mushy brakes with built in ABS or that they bite too hard on other models.
    If I had wanted to bash KTM I would have stayed away from the brand altogether and not bought a second. :rofl
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    ciedema мотоциклист

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    I would love to be able to do something about the rear brakes. Woefully undersized or have poor heat disapation or both. The fronts on the non ABS bikes had a nice feel to them but once you get used to them the ABS ones allow you brake with confidence in some pretty slippery stuff.

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  17. Sumi

    Sumi Long timer

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    According to physics, the bmw's braking distance can't be shorter than the ADV's..

    1, Try progressive braking. (if you are comparing the bikes by slaming on the brake, immediately activating the ABS / locking the wheel(s), then that's not the way you should use the brakes on a motorbike) - nope, not even in emergencies.. that's why there are safety trainings to overcome this reflex.
    2, The front wheel can be locked with the ABS switched off / non-ABS model 9x0, so I don't see how it doesn't have enough braking power.
    3, Try a more accurate measurement
    4, Sell the KTM's, if you find the GS better.

    Just my $0.02
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  18. mousitsas

    mousitsas Long timer

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    Really, it can't get simpler than this:

    KTM adv brakes = Dirt-bike biased brakes (softer)
    BMW GS brakes = street-bike biased brakes (less soft)...if one has ever ridden proper sportbike brakes, eg CBR954RR, then one can realise that GS brakes are not anything to write home about either.

    If one wishes to ugrade KTM adv brakes, then one has to install 320mm discs and/or non-sliding calipers.
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  19. rattis

    rattis Long timer

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    maybe you should have stayed on in school and studied some more physics!
    The fact that different vehicles have different stopping distances is then not a fact, dump trucks and formula one cars all the same :D
    advice number 4: puleeese :rofl

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  20. gallinastrips

    gallinastrips Been here awhile

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    Buy a 950 SM!:lift brakes
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