KTM LC8 Exhaust and Auxillary Tank

Discussion in 'Vendors' started by neduro, Jan 20, 2008.

  1. Groomez

    Groomez Been here awhile

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    I have nothing insightful to contribute for you experts here. Just want to say I'm interested in the 2 in 1 as well as aux fuel tank. Ned, you're doing great work on this.

    You know, to ease the burden off the shoulders, if you guys had a definitive plan for the 2 in 1 and aux fuel tank, I imagine you could liscense the idea out to KTM HQ for some serious $$$. Apply for a provisional patent that doesn't cost you much as a full blown patent. If you worked out a deal you could get a hefty rev share from each sale.... anyways I'm rambling here.. and a little drunk. :beer

    groomez
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  2. Taki

    Taki Waiting for Godot

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    Damn Ned! Your the man!

    I'm more than interested in the products.
    Let me know what helps you get the products to me as soon as your ready.
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  3. Design4D

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  4. DakarNick

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    Woohoo Ned! :clap

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  5. Redbull Addict

    Redbull Addict I need another one...

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    Sweeett!!

    I may be interested too.
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  6. Fred Gassit

    Fred Gassit z00b

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    Nice work mate. Put me on the pre order list for both the tank and two into one colector pipe.
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  7. DakarNick

    DakarNick Swabee

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    Ned, this tank is translucent you said, so probably not paintable, since plastic tanks sweat with fuel in them?
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  8. Mudguts

    Mudguts when in doubt GAS IT

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    Very Nice ,2 into 1 Will be ordering as soon as there ready
    Ned have you thought about useing the space that is left open where the left exhaust pipe went under the seat for extra fuel ? ( with the 2 into 1 system ) like the 690 rally tanks sort of
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  9. mookymoo

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  10. kirkmoon

    kirkmoon Making up for lost youth

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    I'm really interested Ned. Put me on the pre-order list for the tank and the 2->1 collector.
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  11. Mudguts

    Mudguts when in doubt GAS IT

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  12. viatormundi

    viatormundi Citizen of the world

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    Ned,
    I am interested too. Pls put me into your preorder list.
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  13. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

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    Not that I can interpret Aussie, at least I think that's what it was, but the model shown is about 9 revisions ago. Hopefully you can see from the model screenshots embedded more recently that the newer shape is much further forward, lower, and IMO, better looking.

    Good news/ bad news: We are now 10 weeks into the 4 week delivery of 2 into 1's. :baldy That's the bad news. The good news is that it looks like they are doing the ADV ones simultaneously as an apology... so with a little luck, next week I'll have first articles for both SE and ADV and can dyno and so on.

    More info as it happens!
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  14. simonpig

    simonpig droppin' jewels

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    Put me on the list of interested for kickass 2-into-1 and the bitchin' tank. Would prefer black tanks if you're doing colors - I hear its the fastest.

    About the fuel delivery would it work on the 990 FI models as well or is this strictly Carbs-compatible.
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  15. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

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    The 990 has the same crossover line as the 950's, so, pending testing, it will work on all the bikes, SE, 950 ADV, 990 ADV.
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  16. neduro

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    Great news on the 2 into 1!

    Both Adventure and SE products are close- read on for more info.

    Let's start with the SE:

    Here's the prototype I received:
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    Which differs from what will be sold in that it is NOT jet-hot coated inside and out. That would have added two more weeks without any real change in specification. The finished article will appear like stainless (bright silver) and should not discolor with heat as this one has.

    Weight is 1lb 7 ounces (stock is 2lb 10 ounces). So, with a 6lb, 6 ounce Ti Remus can (which Kurt and I will also make available as a single side), the total system weight is 7lb 13 ounces, vs. 24lbs 10 ounces for the full stock system, a 15lb 7 ounce improvement! That's relevant, no matter who you are.

    Here it is mounted:
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    Fit and finish are excellent. The vendor may be slow, but at least it came right with no need for revision.

    Now, the dyno.

    To refresh everyone, here's the first pass back in February:
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    Green is 2 into 2 with neptunes (baffles), Blue is 2 into 1 with neptunes (baffle), and Red is 2 into 1 with neptune (no baffle)

    Here's the new run:
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    Red is the same run in Red in the February run, Blue is the prototype piece running through the same Neptune exhaust, again with no baffle. Better torque everywhere until 7.5K, which presumably is a result of the deleted crossover tube.

    Honestly, by the seat of the pants I'm hard pressed to tell the difference between any of them. The bike started with more than enough power and continues to impress. To me, this mod is all about the weight savings and tank potential, the improved power (which is present, just look at the chart) is just icing on the cake.

    A few more pictures:
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    With the Remus:
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    So, timeline and price:

    Timeline: I approved the first article, and am told the pipes should be done next week. They will head to Jet Hot (which takes up to 2 weeks), so allowing a week as slush and for shipping, I hope to have them in hand to ship in Early June.

    Kurt at Blackdog and I will get a website together shortly to take orders. I will post an update here when that is ready to go- expect next week.

    Price: Introductory price is $225 for the 2 into 1 alone, $675 including a Remus Ti Can (normally $900 for a set, so one can for half-price). For comparison, the stock KTM piece is $290, and I don't think there is any other mod at any price that can save you this much weight, let alone this cheap.

    The Remus cans are dripping with quality. Very nicely turned out, quiet but not too quiet, and they come with a removable baffle. There are cheaper exhausts out there, but none that are nicer or will last longer.

    People who buy the 2 into 1 will also get a coupon good for 10% off the fuel tank, as a reward for being an early adopter.

    Moving on to the Adventure piece: as penance for being 6 weeks late :baldy on the SE part, the vendor is running the Adventure stuff simultaneously! I should have the first article tomorrow!

    I've done a baseline run on a 990, and assuming everything fits properly and the dyno work comes out like the SE did (and I have no reason to believe it won't), we should be on the same timeline for Adventure parts. I do not have a formal price quote yet, but I assume (you know what that means) they will be the same.


    So, the final tally = big weight savings, better power, cheaper than the stock part, and (this last is just my opinion) drop-dead sexy!


    Watch this space for more news, and I'll PM everyone that has enquired as soon as the order page is online.
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  17. ceeco

    ceeco two wheels at a time

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    Nice work! Credit Card ready and waiting.....
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  18. Nowwhat

    Nowwhat I'll Go Second...

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    Are you going to do a 2 into 2 run with NO BAFFLES so there is a REAL comparison as to how a 2-1 may or may not change the curve...?....
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  19. Yellow Pig

    Yellow Pig Allergic to asphalt!

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  20. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

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    No, but you're right, I should have. I was fighting a surly service manager who wanted $89/run and wasn't going to push my luck.

    Honestly, though, I think it's fairly irrelevant. The 2 into 1 clearly has some advantage in low end torque, with no substantial tradeoffs. Most people I know (myself included) were satisfied with the power of the bike stock, this is at least as good and saves a ton of weight.

    The upcoming test will be interesting: The 990 has been run full stock (stock cans, etc) and will be run with the 2 into 1 and remus. I should have the part tomorrow and will do the second run on Wednesday.
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