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Discussion in 'Trials' started by lamotovita, Aug 27, 2013.

  1. lamotovita

    lamotovita Ageing Adventurer

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  2. garrett

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    Sounds close to the Ossa Explorer. I had a short ride on the Ossa and I liked it so I'm sure this bike would be nice as well. I think these bikes will appeal to people that want a trail bike that isn't a dumbed down version of an MX or race bike. It's great the manufacturers are going this way. I've been looking at pure dirt bikes for a while now but really enjoy riding a trials bike on the trails. If I won the lottery, I'd have one of each.

    I've got a 500EXC as a dualsport/dirtbike, and a REV3 for trials. I think I'd go with the 250 Freeride before the 350 especially if it's lighter and a 2 stroke.
    Very cool.

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  3. SherpaT

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    That's cool, but if they won't bring the 350 4-stroke to the US, I doubt they'll bring the 250 2-stoke. :baldy
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  5. garrett

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    I did a comparison of the 250 and the Explorer based on web info from the manufacturers.

    Ossa, 81 kg with fuel

    250 Freeride 92 kg w/out fuel. Seems like a huge difference. It seems TOO much actually.

    As noted, the price difference is significant as well.

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  6. jonnyc21

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    I wonder if that extra 11kg would help it perform better in hard enduro type riding over the OSSA? If not then I would agree with garrett, maybe TOO much cost and weight. :huh
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    Ossa is a trials bike trying to be an enduro bike and KTM is an enduro bike trying to be a trials bike. Two different approaches to filling the same niche. Neither one would work better than a trials bike for trials. Probably both would work good for going fast on single track though. Which is what they're suited for.
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    You did notice that only the KTM has electric start, right?
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    It's a good effort. Not sure how well it will turn with a 56" wheelbase.
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    jonnyc21 Trials Ninja

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    Better than there 350 EXC-F at 58.4 but not as good as the OSSA at 52... :rofl
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    You're right, that would account for a portion of the extra weight. The Ossa kick started easily enough, as does a well jetted trials bike so I wouldn't sacrifice the weight.

    I think these bikes fill a niche and people that are getting into trail riding would likely do very well on them. I prefer my trials bike and LOVE it on tight single track rides.

    I liked the Ossa, but wouldn't buy one.

    Waiting for my Evo...not so patiently.

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    The tires are interesting, made by Maxxis, they look like a slightly wider spaced Trials pattern. Maybe the long awaited Endurocross tire?
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  14. thegraydog

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    Rumor has KTM doing a trials bike. I've only heard this once, but from inside the industry. Anyone?
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    They built a prototype in the mid-70's, so it could happen again.
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    Heavier=Better?
    Ive never heard any trail rider say they could use more weight on the bike.
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  17. jonnyc21

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    The point of referance for weight isn't in handeling its in the strength of the frame and suspensions ability to handle more agressive riding. Example woud be Gas Gas's pampara... The bike is a great trail ride but the cost of saving the lbs came with more advanced riders braking frame parts.

    Now I am a trials rider and don't ride hard, I am working on riding teckneak over riding hard so as much as I think they are bothe great looking trail bikes I woud get a new 4RT first and put a seat in my current 4RT if I was going to go this direction.

    Just my 2 cents.
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  18. motobene

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    Due to small market size and competition, I doubt that. But I could be surprised.

    As for the 'in-between' bikes, the market has been tough on the X-ride variants and even the Freeride, which is bigger than the trials-based variants.

    KTM is refusing to bring the 350 Freeride into the US. They probably know the market isn't here, or assume so. I do know guys who would buy one right away, but they are trials riders who understand why a Freeride is cool beans.

    Offroaders are stuck on tall, big, and powerful 'refrigerator' bikes because that is what the magazines and their friends market TO them. Those things are cool. Less is more is not. It's a hard sell, even if you run rings around them when things get truly nasty. The normal world for them is to look like a cockroach, sit way up high, and to make dust and trench the earth on hill climbs before the bike wheelies out from under them and crashes off to the side. Yoohoo! What fun!

    When I dualsport, which includes some serious offroad, I ride a Kawasaki KLX330S. It's too heavy still, but at least not so tall and over powerful. With trials mods, I can turn way under most bikes. I get comments on how well I ride and how easily I get through the nasties. But it's a hard sell to get guys to understand how much easier it is to ride a more spindly steed. Get on their bikes and you'll often find bars way back, tips angled down, and levers pointing down. As a result, most can't stand up for long. If I suggest setup tips to be able to, they look at me like what planet am I from?

    KrAzy knows now exactly what I'm talking about here because he was at one time one of my bigger skeptics. He's now one of us... gone to the dark side and found out there's a lot of light here.
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    I agree with you motobene, it is a hard sell to people who haven't been on a trials bike and think the suggestions are comming from some other mode of thinking.

    The more I ride trials the more I change my dualsport setup to mimic it as close as I can. I am also finding myself wanting on my trials bike more than my dual sport...

    I suspect at some point I will be the owner of something like an X-Ride or FreeRide in the future and will only use the larger dualsport on longdistance edventure riding and commuting.

    Never would have expected that... :eek1

    But quite ok with it! :D
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  20. KrAzyOSUcOwBoY

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    Moto mentions me because when we met I had/have a fully DS'd 2006 KTM 525 exc, but after my introduction to trials I found its a refrigerator even as one of the lightest big bikes out there at the time. I'm now working on a project mountain goat, KTM 200, lowered, tuned for max low end torque, improved handle bar sweep, etc. At 225 lbs its not as light as I'd like but better. Hopefully sort of a home built Freeride while we wait. We'll see if it works out. In contrast my trials bike is a 4RT, one of the heavier modern trials bikes.
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