Ktm800adv is comming!

Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much HP' started by ErÑete, Jun 29, 2016.

  1. paquo

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    It does bring a more basic bike though without the electronics overload that so many others have. Not for everyone but some people want more basic and don't want lots of horsepower.
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    Eh, not really. It's still got the multiple sensors driven by the CANBUS interface. All they removed was a couple luxuries; the bike is still driven by an insanely sophisticated computer. "More basic" would be a Africa Twin, or for Luddites a KLR.

    I honestly think it's a bit of a crime that KTM releases bikes with drive-by-wire that don't have cruise control. It's an entirely artificial limitation, as the electronics are already there.
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  3. dragos

    dragos Master of disaster.

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    It has all the electronics that others have, only in lower quality. It has ride by wire, traction control, ABS (just not lean angle ABS, which means only that it's a more primitive system), offroad TC etc.
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    What comes to mind is the failure of multiple 1290s to start and the high incidence of tft failure, kind of a pain for a bike thats design brief includes going to bfn. The 1090 seems to be fairly well beta tested for a ktm.
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    I think the weight claim is a figment of their imagination.
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    They are saying the Duke will be about $11000 US , is that a good price ?
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    Tripped1 Bitch called me a feminist.

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    Same price was a Huskey 701.

    Fair. Perhaps......depending what the production model actually brings to the table.
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    Well, looking at the tan design and overall ruggedness, i differ - it is clear successor of lc8, or its philosophy.

    And how this bike with clear dirt bias aims at Tiger - road touring bike with engine completely unsuited for dirt, elides me completely.
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    Tripped1 Bitch called me a feminist.

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    That isn't how Triumph markets them though, now is it.
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    I think what we have here is the discrepancy between how a bike is marketed and how it actually is.
    I don’t think that it makes a difference for a buyer which has never been Offroad on a dirtbike. Which probably will be the majority of possible buyers.
    So the marketing does it’s job....

    Something what was mentioned on one the speculation threads was how most promotional videos show the jumps but not the bike’s landings.
  11. Tripped1

    Tripped1 Bitch called me a feminist.

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    Well KTM did this time..

    Not arguing that the Tiger 800 isn't primarily a street bike, but again, if you are out there buying and DON'T know what you are looking at, all you have is the marketing.

    For me I am relatively sure that its more or less exactly what I want for my level of offroad....which is pretty tame. The real questions are will it be light enough, and will it have sufficient road manners.

    Because if it doesn't there is a 701 likely in the same dealer....and I can even choose my wheel sizes.
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    Who cares how Triumph markets them. Am i gonna trust marketing of a company that put tripple into supposedly dirt going bike? Nope.

    Unless ktm changes 790 substantially from the prototype, this clearly is not going to be bike for mainstream adv rider. The road comfort is not there, passenger accommodation almost nonexistent, small offroad fairing, hopefylly proper long offroad suspension (at least on s/r model) that will inevitably dive too much on tar. So i think it will be clear even to recreational adv rider that this bije is not going to provide road comfort they so crave and have available in likes of tiger.

    Hopefully it will more than make up for it by offroad proves that monirity of us are loking for.
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  13. dragos

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    The road comfort is there, the passenger accomodation is there (just look at the leaked pics with passenger handles, not at the R, PR tuned prototype), the fairing is actually a small windscreen which will be available in different sizes (just like 1190/1290).
    The 1*90 R has 22cm suspension travel (I think), the 690 has 25cm and the 701 has 27.5. I doubt this machine will have more than 25.
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    Sure, there is token nod to all those things - but will take much more to achieve for example passenger comfort of most other bokes on market. But sincerely, do you see average adv biker to be attracted to this? Firts thing they will add is crashbars as resale value is their first priority. Can you imagine how wide and ugly the bike will becone?

    Regarding the suspension my hope is there will be two versions as there were for lc8. If you look at prototype it looks abour 27cm to my eye. I hope that there either will be that version or one will be able ti get it from powerparts.
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    The prototype has cone valve forks, nothing to do with what will be on production version.
    As for crashbars, KTM did (again) a smart thing that makes those unnecessary. My hope is that those protective plastic shells will be cheap, so people won't be tempted to get crashbars.
    Yet again, lots of people buy crashbars for the looks or out of lack of understanding, so...
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    Yes, the low tanks and plastic protectors are ingenuine move to protect the bike without crashbars. And yet how many lc8 or Teneres which were equally well protected you have seen without crashbars?

    The point im making is that - at least judging based on those tanks - ktm seems to be aiming this bike on dirt enthusiasts who dont care about scratch here and there. Most of them even wear them as badge of honor. General buying public - not so much imo, they value cosmetics much more, and go to lengths like crashbars to protect it.

    Back to my lc8 analogy: the bike was fully equiped to carry passenger, luggage and slab. Yet how many people opted for it for those reasons? I think this bike will be similsr.
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    What I love about my 950 Super Enduro is the COMBINATION of dirt bike/ability to do luggage/pavement. Its not the best at any of them, but its the best compromise I've found so far. Hoping for the same with this 790.
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    I'm hoping the same. 790 seen thus far does not have a full adv look and does not have a full Enduro look. It seems to have a little of both.


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    Triumph never marketed any version of the Tiger as a dirt bike and while the triple is not optimum for technical terrain it does pretty good for an "all-roads" bike.

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    Nonetheless, I see the 790 as having a much more off-road bias and that's a good thing for KTM as they already have great "all-roads" bikes that can do the whole two-up thing. It's also a great thing for riders that don't mind giving up some creature comforts compared to full blown street biased big ADV bikes in order to get more dirt bias without having to go to the extreme of riding an enduro bike long distance.

    True enough, it is a market niche because after all, why else would anyone buy the 790 or T700 except to have a more dirt biased bike to take longer trips on? Any other purpose just doesn't make sense. They will never be as good in technical dirt as a true enduro and they will never be as comfortable as a big ADV bike for two up or even one up pavement work. Finding a niche and filling it at the front edge of a growing trend is smart business. ;)
  20. ThirtyOne

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    Has this video been posted? I just saw it. Brappity.

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