Would love to hear what ADV has to say about these two bad boys. The 950SE stopped being made in 2010 but when you can have a horsepower monster like that with only 450 lbs (full tank and fluids) and a beefier off road suspension then how can you not love it? Then you have the new KTM1190R at 520 lbs (full tank and fluids) and everyone is saying it handles a lot lighter than the 990ADV's and is much more dirtbikeish. So what do you Euro's think who already have the 1190R? Have any of you ridden the 950SE also? My background is baja racing, district desert racing and I'm not a huge fan of tons of miles on pavement. I'd be trying to plan all my long trips with as much dirt as possible. Obviously a used 950SE, with low mileage, at $10,000 sounds better than $18,000 for a 1190R but I'm more concerned about the comfort of the 950SE on long distance while still considering the better off road abilities. The 950SE has raced the Baja 1000 but I'm thinking more along the lines of 1 or 2 month long trips covering 8-15,000 miles with a lot of dirt. I'm rambling but that's probably because I'm so torn between these two... Help! P.S. Yes I have searched and read all the threads. Just want a specific 950SE vs 1190R thread.