KTM950SE vs. KTM1190R

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  1. SurfnnRide

    SurfnnRide Been here awhile

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    Would love to hear what ADV has to say about these two bad boys.

    The 950SE stopped being made in 2010 but when you can have a horsepower monster like that with only 450 lbs (full tank and fluids) and a beefier off road suspension then how can you not love it?

    Then you have the new KTM1190R at 520 lbs (full tank and fluids) and everyone is saying it handles a lot lighter than the 990ADV's and is much more dirtbikeish.


    So what do you Euro's think who already have the 1190R? Have any of you ridden the 950SE also?


    My background is baja racing, district desert racing and I'm not a huge fan of tons of miles on pavement. I'd be trying to plan all my long trips with as much dirt as possible.


    Obviously a used 950SE, with low mileage, at $10,000 sounds better than $18,000 for a 1190R but I'm more concerned about the comfort of the 950SE on long distance while still considering the better off road abilities.

    The 950SE has raced the Baja 1000 but I'm thinking more along the lines of 1 or 2 month long trips covering 8-15,000 miles with a lot of dirt.


    I'm rambling but that's probably because I'm so torn between these two...

    Help! :lol3:freaky

    P.S. Yes I have searched and read all the threads. Just want a specific 950SE vs 1190R thread.
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  2. Two Moto Kiwis

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    Dont know about the 1190 but we are loving our se for our rtw trip, certainly the weight is huge issue for me so riding a big bike with lesser weight is a winner for us
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  3. Sheep Shagger

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    Are you getting that from people whom actually ride offroad seriously, or people posting after parking on a piece of grass outside Starbucks?
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    IMHO...

    The SE is fine comfortwise - if you replace the stock seat. I had a Renazco seat on mine, and frequently spent whole days on it comfortably.

    You can also fit the 690 touring screen to reduce wind blast at highway speeds.

    Only downsides of the SE (as far as I'm concerned) is the seat height (which can be addressed by getting a lower, custom seat - ask James [Renazco]) and the low fuel range (which can be addressed with a 2-into-1 exhaust system and Neduro's rear fuel tank)
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    SurfnnRide Been here awhile

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    Been reading that on this forum and other Euro forums.
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  7. SurfnnRide

    SurfnnRide Been here awhile

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    I had already read that thread and it was in part what drew me towards a more "Adventure" bike after doing many miles on my trusty XR650R. The XR650R is a b ulletproof stallion that has taken me all over and taken MANY MANY beatings as I tend to crash a lot and take the 650R into places more suited for a 250 2 smoke (tight singletrack, nasty hillclimbs, rock hopping etc..)

    As I looked into some of the other options the weight just pushed me away. I'm looking to do 80% dirt and 20% tarmac on most of my 5,000+ miles rides and a 500+ lb bike is not what I want.

    + Tarmac is BOOOOORING.....



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    SurfnnRide Been here awhile

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    I'm 6'7 so the height isn't an issue at all. I'll still be able to flat foot it on both sides.

    I figure I'd throw a big 8.2 gallon tank on there. Yeah it adds weight but I need the distance in lots of places.


    I have lucked out and I'm going to Africa to ride a KTM950SE for 30 days over 8000 miles. Should be a good test ride. Just trying to get some feedback on the 1190R weight/suspension/off road capabilities in comparison to the 950SE.




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    Jaimoto Spaniard in Chile

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    Hey Surfin, why not a 9X0S or 990R?
    With 265mm of susp travel they are closer to the SE and I bet they are far far better off road than a short legged 1190R
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    SurfnnRide Been here awhile

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    Too heavy at 540 lbs with fuel. I know the Pro's ride dakar on these but why fight something like that if you can have the same engine and 80 lbs less garbage weight?

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    SurfnnRide Been here awhile

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    Saw that but am looking for lower miles. FOund one in Houston with 3,500 miles and is the special edition edzberg model.

    His bike is tight though. All the neccesary mods have been done.

    I sent him a PM with some questions.


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    Can't say that I've ridden an 1190 yet but I spent 8 months on a '12 R1200 GSA before jumping headfirst into the Orange Koolaid and getting an SE. So with a more than a little experience picking up big dual sports during that 8 month period I'd say the 520lbs 1190 might "handle a lot lighter" when its upright but on its side you'll feel all 520lbs of it. :lift

    That said the comparison strikes me as a bit of an apples and oranges.. or for the sake of this crowd, a wine vs beer deal. The 1190 strikes me as the very refined bottle of chardonnay while the SE is... well.... a case of 8% IPA's and a bottle whiskey.:freaky
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    Misery Goat Positating the negative Super Moderator

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    The bikes don't seem comparable to me, it sounds like you need to figure out what kind of riding you will be doing b/c it (your riding) will vary greatly depending on which of these bikes you're on.
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    Lower miles? It's at 9500? Bikes are meant to be ridden, not under a cover in front of the sports care in the garage! My strom has 42k on it, just broken in.
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    There is little if anything special about the Erzberg Edition SE all SE's were built the same year and then sold for 3 years.. I would do more homework before you buy anything. Also reviews from folks on ADVrider while useful are meaningless unless you have ridden both bikes yourself so you can filter the opinions as they apply to you.

    For example, some think the SE makes a miserable touring bike due to the lack of wind protection, guys like Misery Goat and myself thought it was superior to the ADV model for touring because we could never solve the buffeting the ADV model created. Clearly we were in the minority but for us it worked great. Taking our opinions without your own first hand experience could lead to a poor decision which then leads to people complaining that the bike is at fault when really it's just not the right tool for their use.
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    offroad? 950SE hands down, there should not even be a discussion about that.
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    Correct, Erzberg is 100% a standard SE with and Erzberg stickers and to the first owner bought from new they came with Akrapovics.

    Essentially unless you get the acras you have nothing special, mitk125's bike is quite the machine and based on your 80/20 ratio that would be the bike to get IMO.
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    Fixed it for you ! :D
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    I lent my Ducati to my boss and commuted on my SE for a few weeks. The SE is busier on the highway and has no signals or mirrors so that was a bit of a challenge plus I couldn't seem to get the Neduro tank down the last 1/2 gallon. Otherwise I prefer the SE. More comfortable, better throttle response, sounds better, way more useful. I have gone to a short screen in low position on the Ducati as I prefer the wind in my face. I assume the 1190 is more like the Duc. Geat for cruising at triple digits but not sure where the other advantages lie. Twisties are more fun on the SE although I can hit 130+ on the Ducati where as the SE prefers sub 100.
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