KVR trail trouble

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Mike Ryder, Nov 22, 2012.

  1. Mike Ryder

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    Below is copied from a story this morning in a local news website.
    Castanet reports:

    http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-83575-27-.htm#83575

    KVR trail trouble
    by Deborah Pfeiffer - Story: 83575
    Nov 21, 2012 / 5:00 am


    Photo: Deborah Pfeiffer
    The KVR Trail above Naramata
    For as long as he can remember, Gary Dicken has driven his car on the Kettle Valley Rail Trail to take in the view, access historic sites and get away from it all in the pristine wilderness.

    So Dicken is among those who have formed a group dedicated to preserving access for all to the KVR above Naramata, in reaction to the BC Government's proposal to cut off all motorized traffic along the old railwaybed.

    "It's a big part of the Naramata lifestyle being able to drive up here, especially for people who have lived here a long time," said Dicken, whose family has been a part of the community since 1909.

    The group, Keep Our KVR Accessible to All, KOKATA, came into existence following a heated September meeting in Naramata, where John Hawkings, the provincial trails manager for the Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations, laid out a plan that included trail use designations ,motorized opportunity development and KVR trail development.

    Among the designations were non-motorized with motorized access for tenure holders from Penticton city boundary to Arawana Road, non motorized from Arawana Road to Little Tunnel and shared use from Little Tunnel to Glenfir Trailhead.

    The plan is to be implemented over the next two years based on available resources.

    The proposal was not well received from the get go. Several angry residents stood up and told Hawkings they were opposed to the idea because the KVR is considered to be Naramata's backyard.

    "People were surprised when they went to the meeting and saw the draft plan because it stopped all passenger vehicle access," said Dicken.

    KOKATA has met since and created a website with a core agenda that includes:

    To preserve passenger vehicle access to the Little Adra Tunnell, Big Tunnell, Rock Ovens Park, power lines roads and the Elinor Forest Service Road.
    To preserve current levels of access to the affected areas for the disabled, elderly and infirm.
    To preserve Crown land values and current levels of access to the affected areas for gatherers of firewood and hunters.
    To identify and resolve issues that may prevent future access to the affected area for any and all users.
    To ensure they get heard, the group is circulating a petition that now has about 600 signatures, said Dicken. It is available online at their website, and at businesses including the Naramata Pub and Penticton Honda Centre.

    The hope is to present the petition to Hawkings at a meeting in December.

    Hawkings said he has been in contact with the group and plans to meet in the Penticton area.

    "My primary goal is to listen to them, understand what their concerns are and provide them with a little bit of context on the trail and how the province approaches the management of trails," he said.

    As they wait for the meeting, they are asking for more volunteers to help with the cause. Once the meeting is over they will take it from there, said Dicken.


    Photo: Deborah Pfeiffer
    Signage on the KVR Trail
    "It's one of those things. We can't just let it go by. We have to say something," he said.

    The effort has created some polarization in this small community nestled by Okanagan Lake.

    At the September meeting, several residents said they would like to see the trail used for only hiking, walking and horseback riding because it is a wilderness area with an abundance of wildlife.

    Aimee Oakley, the social media liaison for KOKATA, said it is because of the natural beauty, that it should not be restricted to anyone.

    "There are going to be people on both sides of the issue," she said. "All we are trying to do is keep something that been a part of the culture of our community.

    My husband has a disability and to think he couldn't go up there with our children just breaks my heart.".
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  2. Deadly99

    Deadly99 Fast and Far

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    What always gets me in the horse crowd being granted access. Hoof prints wreck a trail as much if not more than a bikes tires....oh and last time I checked my bike doesnt shit all over a trail :deal

    Sucks the greenies are more organized than the "normal everyday people" :nod
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  3. shuswap biker

    shuswap biker Been here awhile

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    The original charter for the trans Canada trail was for all persons to access regardless of mode of transport.

    What makes you shake your head is they will allow snowmobiles in areas were motor vehicles are not allowed, is this do to the fact that there are no peddle bikers, hikers or horsey folk using the trail at that time??

    Snowmobilers best watch out that the X country skiers don't get there panties in a bunch and start whining.

    And how about the section between Faulder and Osprey lake that they turned into the road, are they going to kick the cars back to the original POS road?

    If you were lucky enough to ride all the old rail beds on Phoenix MT (C.P/Great northern) your lucky as they are now all off limits to motorized vehicles. Peddle bikes, hikers, horsey folk and X country skiers only

    Do the forestry managers have an agenda, because this is not the same as deactivating an old logging road, these trails are maintained but only for a select few.


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  4. Mr. Canoehead

    Mr. Canoehead Taste Gunnels!

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    So, where do we sign the petition?

    BC seems determined to kill motorcycle tourism. First the draconian speed laws and "no standing on the pegs" laws, now closing backcountry access.
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  5. amk

    amk Been here awhile

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    I rode part of it this past summer. The biggest gripe were landowners and their chained gates, every 500m. There were many slides and washouts which nobody was going to repair. Every single sign I have seen said "no motor vehicle allowed", but I met a uniform policemen on the track who said nothing.

    I, personally, will vote to close it to all motor vehicles due to evident erosion and degradation, unless extensive repair and maintenance are scheduled.

    And I will not go there for 2d time because of the farmers' barricades.
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  6. Mike Ryder

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    petition at

    http://kvrnaramata.com/
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  7. Mr. Canoehead

    Mr. Canoehead Taste Gunnels!

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    Signed

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  8. RED CAT

    RED CAT Bumpy Backroader

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    I agree. Montana, Idaho and Washington are all better riding than BC. Everything is 1/2 price compared to BC. BC defintely stands for BRING CASH. There isn't a cop behind every corner either. My wife and I are planning summer holidays south as much as possible now. Getting tired of BC. Its becoming another Nanny State like Ontario.
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  9. triplenickel

    triplenickel Long timer

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    The gov. definiteley has an agenda, motorized isn't welcome. It's the same for winter sports, XC and heli get the nod and sleds are punted. Trails BC is an advocate for the non motorized users, they get like $13 million per year from the gov. BCORMA for the off road motorcycles gets zero and is left to fight with what they can do on their own so everyone that's complaining should be a paid member if there's any chance of fighting the man. Membership dues are pretty much the cheapest part of our sport. We need to get our shit together in a big way the KVR is just the beginning.
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  10. Lav1200

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    Signing petitions is fine, but it's a short term band-aid for access issues.

    Instead I would encourage all to join their local off-road motorcycle organization that is working hard to preserve single-track access. One such group here in Calgary is the Rocky Mountain Dirt Riders. Sign up at their booth at the Calgary bike show so they can put your membership dues to work. All other user groups have strong organizations that get their voice heard - motorcyclists, especially single-track riders, need to get on that game plan.
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  11. folknride

    folknride Old Adventurer

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    I signed and am 100 percent behind keeping and expanding access. BUT, there is an elephant in the room that we have to acknowledge - noisy and irresponsible riders and quaders. There are just too many idiots riding out there with exhausts and behaviours at best suited for race and closed courses. I know I'm preaching to the choir here (mostly), but there are way more people who object to this behaviour than there are petition signers for open trails, so we are doomed to more and more closures.
    We were out at a local off road area in the fall, stopped for a break, and a handful of screaming competition 2 strokes went past - we all looked at each other and someone said "no wonder everyone hates us".
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  12. nordicbiker

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    I have been cycling the complete KVR some ten years ago. And I don't recall having any conflict with anyone on a motorcycle at that time. Maybe the trail got more popular in the meantime for motorized traffic.

    One hour ago I booked flights to and from Canada for a three-month trip next summer and I would love to be back on the KVR again - this time on a KLR 650. I hope that a solution can be found that allows access for all kinds of traffic. And this shows again how proper behaviour of us potentially fast track users is! Unfortunately a few idiots can destroy it for many others.
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  13. triplenickel

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    Hopefully you'll still be able to ride it, this is the classic case of a few dummies ruining it for the rest of us. We rode it 3 years ago it was dusty so 4 of us were keeping decent space between each other and there was some 20-25 year old white trash half wit with a wife beater on a clapped out old racing quad doing probably 100km/h that almost wiped each of us out. He never got the clue that there was more than himself on the trail, just stupid we were pissed even as motorized users.
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  14. nordicbiker

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    Hej folks in BC!

    Any update on the KVR? Hope it will still be open this summer for motorized traffic! I would love to explore some sections by motorcycle but of course I will stay away from the popular and croweded Myra Canyon. For that one I would actually like to rent a bicycle and get some exercise!

    So what's the legal situation for this summer?

    Greetings from Sweden
    Kai-Uwe / nordicbiker
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  15. gunnerbuck

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    If the KVRs status is up in the air you could always take the TCAT as a viable alternative: http://www.graveltravel.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=88:tcat-bc1&catid=1
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  16. OneEffinName

    OneEffinName Been here awhile

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    Already rode it. Kinda boring. Dont care if they close it off to motorized traffic.
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  17. willys

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    This is an old rail trail right? I haven't researched it much at all, so please give me the boot if I am wrong.....I'll take it.
    IMHO...rail trails are good for one thing and that is to cover some distances in a relative hurry so to speak. They do go through some really spectacular scenery in some locations, and there are a few huge tressels to cross. But, for excitement so to speak they are not much better than the black top with a centre line. If you are unfortunate and are behind someone on a dry day, you'll eat more scenery than you'll see. Those types of trails get mighty dusty, mighty fast from what i have experienced.
    Sure you can get deep into the wilds while on these types of trails, but they can be done on any form of motorized vehicle so to speak....so the riding experience isn't really there.....I'm sure it could be at breakneck speeds and that is probably why the Greenies are wanting to close it. No I'm no greenie, far from it. But I have had to fight them for rights here in Ontario without any success what so ever. They have much more fundage and a stronger will to see it to the end. It seems us motorized sport folks can't even get organized as a whole to fight the fight. We constantly argure over who gets the final say, or useages, anything......while the Greenies just keep marching forward to the end goal. Keep us out! They don't have any grey areas to worry about, it's simple.....anything that burns fuel to move is refused entry. I gave up fighting these groups long ago. I just move away to other locations or move away from the sport. It's not the answer or the right thing to do for the long term benefit of our sport or any motorized sport. We will soon be only allowed to ride our machines within a plastic bubble as not to pollute the atmoshere or ruin the ground we ride on. Lets face it, we do both and we can't argue this fact. Google trail damages from space and see what pops up! You literally can see where the once single track trails have been destroyed by motorized vehicles. Did you or I do it, maybe not....but the Greenies don't care. It was a motorized vehicle and that is what they want to keep out. Plain and simple.

    So, I do admit the trails are great ways to get into the wilderness and enjoy nature. Once the Greenies get their sites set on a specific trail or location.....it's just a matter of time before they win. Unless we start fighting like they do.....a unified front....all motorized sports need to come together and represent as one....then we may have some clout!

    This is why I have switched to a dualsport bike with capabilities to ride both road and trails....no more trailering to the areas where I hope I'm not locked out of, only to find another trail gone and I am forced once again to drive home to find a new location. I ride to the trails, enjoy a few hours on them and then ride home......a win win for me. Plus, if I do meet someone on the trails the bike isn't loud and aggressive or I haven't left rooster trails behind me for as far as the eye can see.

    Call me an old fart, or senile whatever.....but sooner or later it will hit home like it did with me.
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  18. amk

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    I do not understand what the issue is. They going to close it for motorized vehicles, that is fine. Nobody does have any money to maintain it, so the closure is the best they can do. Again, they do not have money to cope with slides, washouts, and general maintenance, let alone those farmers. If they would not have closed it your children won't see the difference between railroad and rutted trail.
    And it's not like they close the trail to everybody but gays or transvestites. No, every white heterosexual man is still welcome, just change the mode of transportation.
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    Lmfao!!!
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