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Discussion in 'West – California, the desert southwest and whatev' started by NSFW, Mar 5, 2008.
i heard tires with nobbies are highly over rated
u must have them on backwards
really! yeah scott you're way too funnny.....
i still have to try the trial tires. heard a lot of good things about them.
though not much a st rider here, the 606 fits the bill for pavement and fire roads for me....
Joel finally convinced me to try the D606 for DS riding. I'm a new convert, really liking the rear on the Husky.
I ran a trials tire extensively on my KTM250XCFW. IMO they are outstanding for a smaller displacement bike, working well on both singletrack as well as desert. The downside is that they don't spin out so powersliding with them is difficult compared to a regular knobby. This exacerbates wear on them on a larger displacement bike. A 525 can litterally rip the knobs right off them. An aggressive 'track' type rider has to learn to let the rear follow the front. For the larger bikes I think they are great for ST but a good desert knobby will wear better for them in desert conditions.
I rode three years observed trials competition with ATA (American Trials Association). ALL trials bikes use a trials tire - they are what grip so well on rocks and roots. They run them at 4-5lbs psi. For a dirtbike on single track, double rimlocks are recommended so that 5-8lbs can be run in them. This allows the tire to conform to the terrain, but also makes them squirelly at high speed on pavement. Most riders will run them at 18-22 on road.
Here's what SOS has to say about trials tires. In fact, you really ought to not show up to ride with them without one:
http://www.stewardsofthesequoia.org/Ultimate_trail_tire.html BTW, your buddy Jimmy Lewis has a testimony here...he loves them. Also click the report link on the MT43, Chris Horgan's write up on them. Chris prefers the 'tubliss' system.
We like to ride some pretty gnarly desert terrain as well. Here's a group from a couple of years ago in the Ridgecrest area with a lot of steep rocky hills. This group of about 12-15 riders consisted primarily of youthful riders on 250 mx style bikes. They had a helluva time getting up the hills. I could see them looking down their nose at this old man with his trials tire, but when I passed them all falling all over the trail, plonking easily to the top, they all wanted to know about these trials tires. The MT43 is the ONLY one to run on a dirtbike. It has a stiffer carcass and durable compound compared to the other brands. The Michelin is tops for a the trials bikes because they are so soft.
The second pic is a waterfall lip at the top of a climb, about 2-3 feet of veritcal lip. Some of the riders had a tough time.
I ran the MotoZ on the SE for the entire 2100 mile CO trip and they still have lots of life left in them. THey are only ok on tarmac but are great on dirt and will be my tire of choice for the foreseeable future on the SE.
606 is about the worst tire ever, so the Motoz have to be better
Quick question - I'm doing a two day ride around Los Padres this weekend. I'm leaving late tonight from LA so campsites may be full up, anybody know a good place to pull off the side of the road where I won't be seen so I can get some shuteye? I'd be out by sunrise. People do that here or too many local wierdos?
Street riding with tame dirt, but if anybody wants in last minute let me know, plan is to be back in LA by Sunday night.
Try hungry valley svra. You can ride pavement all the way back to Lockwood creek.
You should have no problem getting a site at camp Chuchupate and all you need is an adventure pass. I5 to Frazier park to Lockwood valley rd about a mile to the ranger station on the left, continue thru the station a couple miles to the camp. Good maps availible at the ranger station. Good store and pizza at the corner of Frazier and Lockwood. Dirt roads run all over Frazier mountain, just continue past the camp. ENJOY!
tt, thanks for the input.
the motoz rep said the same thing. a lot better than the 606 on dirt but expect less on the pavement.
hahaha.....that's what i am hoping. have been using the 606 for 6 years on all my bikes and hopefully a better one comes along.
folks. the truth is there is no bad tire (think liability and greedy lawyers). tires are designed for a specific application and market. often times when a tire fails someone's expectation, it wasn't the tire's fault but the rider for putting the wrong tire. there's no 1 tire that will do it all. all dual sport tires (dot rated) are made to compromise - marginal dirt performance and relatively safe road handling. never expect it will perform to be very good at both scenarios because it won't.
if you're trucking and just doing mostly dirt, you're in luck. there are a lot of excellent pure dirt tires out there.
i ride lots of pavements to get to dirt. for instance from my house to st. george ut and down south into baja. the 606 never disappointed me and got me back with good amount of thread left.
the best part, if i can't get a grin on the dirt, the twisties will......
tire discussion is good. we should have a tire thread here in the west. what's good in the northeast or midwest or elsewhere may not be applicable for the west.
keep the rubber side down and burn the chicken strips.......
hungry val and chuchupate are good.
hungry valley is big and you will find camping space. prepare to pay the entrance fee and they will poke your bike. make sure you have working usfs approved spark arrestor.
chuchupate is small compared to hungry val. but the higher elevation makes it a lot cooler, also lots of trees and shade.
no guarantee, but i feel that the farther i get away from the city the safer it is.
+1 on Chuchupate. Nice place to camp. Although we've seen the locals come up and have a rave party while the rangers are off duty...by 8am they were gone.
The singletrack up there is for litebikes though. Just FYI.
Can't wait for this
Tire discussion's are like assholes & opinions
EDIT: can we include oil in this?
2nd EDIT: Johngil request, Condoms?
we have a tire thread in the west!
Yes, YOU do
shawn, i see it now and it's not even a tire thread.
anyway back to bike and riding. anyone going to the ontario endurocross this afternoon? love to see the riders in orange at the pit area..... and of course others like webb, redmond, etc.
last year, there's even a night race......:eek1
see some of you PPs there.
Lendon and I will be at Enduro cross with the wives.
Say HI to Johnny Ringo for me.
Will be there with the Team Longriders.
didn't see familiar faces last night at the race.
you could see more pics HERE