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Discussion in 'Sports' started by Green Stainz, Sep 6, 2005.
...and you should, you seem to be on a first name basis with him...
Is this a current picture of Greg Lemond?
Those star witnesses seem to have some timeline issues.
Two quotes from Wiki.
"Hamilton further claimed that Armstrong tested positive for EPO during the 2001 Tour de Suisse; 60 Minutes reported that the Union Cycliste Internationale intervened to conceal those test results, and that donations from Armstrong totaling US$125,000 may have played into said actions."
"However, in July 2010 the president of the UCI, Pat McQuaid, revealed that Armstrong made two donations to the UCI: $25,000 in 2002, used by the juniors anti-doping program, and $100,000 in 2005, to buy a blood testing machine, and documentation of those payments does exist.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-86 jQuery172044976131914183603="131">["</SUP>
<SUP>Donations in 2002 and 2005 influenced a decision made in 2001. Fuck man, Lance is like magic and shit.</SUP>
How many samples per test were tested?
If they came an tested me right now, I'd be doping. I took some sudafed to help clear up this sinus headache I've got going on.
...but when the gran fondo winner gets busted for EPO*, there's rotten apples thru the barrel. Some folks just HAVE to win at any cost. They haven't come to terms with their mediocrity like I have.
I'm of the opinion that LA took every conceivable advantage of the rules he could short of illegality. Does that constitute systematic doping? ...that's my $.02
I also think that the USADA should be concentrating on making sure that younger athletes don't get into a position where its 'use PEDs and win' or 'stay clean and lose.' As much as I dislike Jonathan Vaughters' style of management, I think he's on the right track. I just hope that the successes they've had in the Giro don't start to create that kind of environment. 'We won last year, so we'd better do good this year, we're short of talent/training/whatever so...'
FWI read, he won Battenkill a few times too. Using PEDs to do it
I snipped the pic for all of us. :eyebleach
This is GL now:
I'm surprised we haven't heard anything from him about this yet. He's been a BIG anti-LA crusader for years.
Butthurt parade ... nothing to see here.
How about a cash based WWE type cycling series?
All on the same bike, shoot up whatever you like.
So how is it that Armstrong was never-give-up on a bicycle, but as soon as things enter real life he folds? Not much of an inspiration.
He has been investigated and answering charges of doping since 1999. That's 13 years, not "as soon as." I can imagine his frustration of having federal investigators drop a case just to have a cunt with a chip on his shoulder in the USADA charge him.
The number of tests is really not the issue, it's the results thereof. Exaggerated figures are often used for emphasis. AFAIK, he complied with the testing procedures. Testimony by former competitors, some of whom had themselves been found to be positive, and with no forensic evidence to back those up means very little in a 'real' court. The kangaroos handle it differently, obviously.
What he said!
All those competitors that were doping during Armstrong's run were caught, but he wasn't.
Oh, that makes perfect sense.
Ya' know, looking back on those races, he just intimidated the shit outta those guys. He was so inside their heads, it was damn near impossible for them to focus.
Doping or not, methinks there be a LOT of guys who really don't like him and want to see him loose at something.
Now we have the USADA "stripping" him of his 7 TDF titles.
Didn't know it was theirs to strip.
Maybe the UCI will refuse to erase his results. It sounds like they're waiting for the USADA to give them an explanation.
If he was tested at race time and passed they should leave him alone.The results of the testing should be made final no more than 6 months after the first initial test for the race in question with no possability for reviewing or retesting the results after 6 months.I smell politics-is it the french?
So you know ... most of the testing is done with urine. Most of the time with blood.
Few times I had people at my place that was under USADA control and they only gave/collected urine.
Lot of stuff is by-passed by urine test. Lot of stuff is sophisticated synthetic blood stuff. Lot of athletes do dope. sometime are not cought.
I think is not defending because he knows he will not be able to defend it.
Don't recall the sequence of events or who did what to who, but if the UCI handled the tests, they sure as hell ain't gonna let us tell them they were wrong
It would seem to make sense, especially when the events in question happened on foreign soil and we had no jurisdiction over the athletes.
Politics for sure...the French ? Dunno. looks like we should be more concerned on why we (our government) needs to spend tons of $s hurting down a bike racer .
(sorry...didn't mean to bend this towards CS&M land.....it just really smells)
<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TH>Athlete Name</TH><TH></TH><TH width=40>Test Count</TH></TR><TR class=TableRow><TD width=50></TD><TD style="COLOR: #933">Lance E Armstrong</TD><TD width=25></TD><TD style="COLOR: #933">29</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Sorry guys...this is putting me over the edge...
Some interesting comments:
"No winners until proven by USADA; medals awarded after X years"
"Funny he passed every test yet they kept hammering away. I guess they figured on a war of attrition which would sap Armstrong of his financial resources in order to win in court. "
It's just so meaningless. It's history. Ancient history. What is the point , except to spend our money ?
Sounds like a witch hunt