Lance Armstrong

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  1. PoundSand

    PoundSand Long timer

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    Records would keep calling even without drugs. We simply know a lot more about weight training these days. For heavyweigjts, Before 1940, the Olympic record in the snatch was like 210 lbs (vs 476 today). 330lbs in clean and jerk vs 586 today. Press record was 270. For reference, I cleaned and pressed 150, for reps, after like 3 months of having it in my training, and I ain't no strong man, not a heavyweight, and I ain't on any drugs.
  2. Buzz363

    Buzz363 Been here awhile

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    I'm referring to the last twenty years or thirty years not 1940. I'm not comparing nutrition and training before the invention of the squat rack or modern gym. Dianabol was invented for the U.S. weightlifting team in the 1950's which led to the steroid era of Olympic lifting and the birth of powerlifting.
  3. Weirdo

    Weirdo Welcome to you're "DOOM"

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    Nobody is shocked and offended by the steroids, the issue here is cheating and the lengths that people went to deceive.
  4. Mercury264

    Mercury264 Once you go Triple...

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    One of the saddest things with all of this is the willingness by so many to accept what Armstrong did because, well, everyone was doing it. Very sad indeed.
  5. TheNedster

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  6. Buzz363

    Buzz363 Been here awhile

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    I think you would find that most if not all competitors are using the same enhancers. Thanks for explaining what the true issue is as well.
  7. Schlug

    Schlug JockeyfullofBourbon

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    Even better, win some Tours de France and then go try to win the Giro or the Vuelta or the Roubaix or the Liege-Bastogne-Liege or any of the other monuments.

    Even with 7 Tour victories, he would never have been considered the greatest cyclist in the world-- Not with all the 5 Tour winners PLUS all those fantastic one-day and minor tour wins.

    I dislike Lance, not because he doped, but the way he brought doping in a precise, clinical regimen. I dislike him as well because he turned a lot of young people interested in cycling into a generation of Tour watchers.

    But beyond all that I dislike the duplicity, the bullying, the threats, and the asanine manner in which he defended himself the most.

    Can they put some of the USADA's budget spent on investigating him for the last couple years on his tab as well?

    It'll be interesting to see if there are any criminal charges brought forth should he admit his use. I think the only sworn testimony in which he perjured himself is beyond the statute of limitations.
  8. Weirdo

    Weirdo Welcome to you're "DOOM"

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    Oh yeah, the whole field was dirty, of that I have little doubt.
  9. Schlug

    Schlug JockeyfullofBourbon

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    I would be careful indicting the entire field. Keep in mind the cost for doping was generally covered by the rider, and in the case of US Postal it was in the realm of 10,000 USD to start.

    Certainly the contenders were doping in some why and probably top 50 riders out of 200? Just guessing here. A lowly domestique won't have the dosh to dope like the big boys. I suppose in the Tour it will probably be much higher since that gets most press.
  10. Manuel Garcia O'Kely

    Manuel Garcia O'Kely Back at last

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    Thanks for making me and legions of others who defended you, believed you did it 'honestly' look like a bunch of all-day suckers. Thanks.

    You are dead to me.
  11. Frougby

    Frougby Been here awhile

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    Hey it could be worse - you could have gotten sucked into mormonism - silver lining non?

    He better have issued an apology to USADA officials, Andreus, Hamilton, and Lemond for starts on the crap he caused for them.:deal
  12. Schlug

    Schlug JockeyfullofBourbon

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    A small part of me wanted to go back and find a few of those ardent supporters who really took us to task when we brought criticized Lance for doping and being duplicitous and-- for lack of a better word-- as ass.

    But the fact this situation is a shovel full of rancid lard for all of us.

    I was there by the Art Museum, screaming and cheering when he won the Corestates PRO championship after attacking on the Wall.

    What a turd.

    Perjury seems to be off the table since he last testified 7 years ago. Unless there's more to that law than I, as a layman, understand. The Feds were pursuing a fraud case for a while but for reasons unclear they dropped it some time ago.

    He'll likely be avalanched under a layer of civil suits, though. And good for him.
    He still has a lot of money
    He is still an ass.
  13. rbrsddn

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    PT Barnum was right! I was one who got suckered into believing Lance wasn't doping, mostly because I wanted that whiny crybaby Lemond to be wrong.:lol3 I haven't watched the Tour in years, and don't know if I will again.
  14. RhinoVonHawkrider

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    Hmmm some ramblings

    1. Don't know if he'll have to pay back $ from lawsuits that were already settled, since typically language in the settlement state that this is final & that neither party can reopen.

    2. While I agree most were/are probably on the junk, with him continuing to state NOT ME, with the mounting evidence makes him look worse. Especially since he lambasted others for saying he was guilty too.

    3. I enjoy the Le Tour and will continue to watch. And if ya think about it, even if they're on the junk it still takes skill and endurance to ride it.

    4. His cancer was caused by him doping, IMO. Oh Ball Boy swing over here:rofl

    5. Why the Fcuk did he have to confess now? Especially, to Umprah. So he can compete in triathlons? Dude U raced on dope & beat the other dopers, fcuk just go train on ur own & STFU.

    Just my .02 I could be wrong, carry on
  15. Schlug

    Schlug JockeyfullofBourbon

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    1. More than payback-- payback the settlement, plus interest, plus penalties.

    LONDON — Lance Armstrong is being sued for more than $1.5 million by a British newspaper over the settlement of a libel action, which followed doping allegations against the cyclist that it published.
    The Sunday Times paid Armstrong 300,000 pounds (now about $485,000) in 2006 to settle a case after it reprinted claims from a book in 2004 that he took performance-enhancing drugs.
    The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency concluded this year that Armstrong led a massive doping program on his teams. Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles and banned from cycling for life.


    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2012/12/23/lance-armstrong-sued-uk-paper/1787267/
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  17. RhinoVonHawkrider

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    Who is this Lance guy??

    I only know a sweet young lad named Manti:rofl:rofl
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  19. championsound

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    Watching the interview live on the web right now...

    I'm COMPLETELY FLOORED that he admitted it!
  20. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. what a tool.