Land Rover Lust!

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Mav, Jul 30, 2009.

  1. Srbenda

    Srbenda Embassy of South Carolina

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    So, I went on a LR sponsored excursion today, out to a nice little 340 acre estate.

    Some of the Rovers

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    This was fun

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    Traffic Jam!

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    Beautiful chapel

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    Hill-climbing...with someone sideways.


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  2. Colemanfu

    Colemanfu King of all manfu

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    Cool old truck.
  3. WIBO

    WIBO Will it buff out?

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    Yip..very nice indeed..if it were I,I'd put the original rims on to make it complete..

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  4. Tripl Nikl

    Tripl Nikl Long timer

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    Depends on intended use. IMHO, the D2 is a better wheeling rig. Better partially because of how the chasis is set-up, partially because there's been more time for the aftermarket to make parts, and better because they're cheaper to buy. Cheap is a good attribute in a rig intended for wheeling! I've now got about $8-9k into my '00 DII. That's gotten me a $3500 DII that's since gotten the headgasket repair (effen LR engineering!), radiator, hoses, braided lines, new fluids throughout, 2" OME suspension lift and fitted ARB winch bumper. Compared to a Jeep? It's a bargain!

    On road, for daily driver duties? I think the LR3 is better from what I've read (I don't own one, nor have I driven one). They can still wheel more than most drivers would ever use as well. And it does get better mileage despite it's overall larger size. So... I suppose for most users most of the time... the LR3 probably is the better rig. :lol3

    Still... There should be a big ol' tire on the rear. It looks kind of funny having that big, blank billboard back there.

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  5. PirateJohn

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  6. WIBO

    WIBO Will it buff out?

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    I often wondered what,not only the army navy and air force will do with out a good general purpose Land Rover,but all the other companies that use them..the likes of electricity companies.....aid organizations and local councils.

    What other 4x4 can do that kind of work,take the same punishment and cost less to repair/run.

    The Puma these days IMO does not have a very good reputation for quality and reliability as costs are cut,hence poor sales in the domestic market compared with the likes of Toyota and Mitsibushi.

    You just have to read through a few pages of Defender2.net to get a glimpse and any Range Rover forum to see what's what these days.

    FFS it's not rocket science......just build a good 4x4.

    I'll stick with my Defender in it's simplest form and carry on.

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  7. Tripl Nikl

    Tripl Nikl Long timer

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    US Army Special Forces choses the Toyota Tacoma:
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    The USMC chose M-B G-Wagon:
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    The Egyptian Army uses a Jeep with a modified, HD drivetrain:
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    And of course the British MOD chose the LR Defender:
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    So there are several well established options out there using largely COTS solutions to the "alternative to walking" that the military often faces and that the Jeep filled for many years. I have always been of the opinion that the Hummer was an over-engineered, over-priced, and over-sized option. However, I think that the Hummer contract kicked down the best "post-retirement employment package" for the General(s) that chose it. :D
  8. WIBO

    WIBO Will it buff out?

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    Yip....I just think Land Rover will loose out where others will profit..doesn't make sense to remove a good seller and replace it with nothing and allow your competitors in...

    I'd like to think e.g.that a clutch or an air filter etc for a Land Rover is less expensive than the MB or Toyota equal...


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  9. Lewy

    Lewy Minus the LC8

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    Australian Army has now moved to G-Wagens.

    I found another old tiny pic of my 110. Wish I didn't sell it.

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  10. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    I got my Army license in a 1/4ton Jeep. Hands down, the Humvee is a better vehicle for pretty much everything. Among other reasons for abandoning the Jeep was having MOGAS in the supply lines alongside the diesel. Rollovers are another big one...

    For what it was designed to do: replace the Jeep, it does it well. Its a lot more capable off-road, etc etc etc. It is NOT an armored vehicle tho. :nono Adding armored panels, etc just drags the performance down that much further. :nod

    They got rid of the CUCV and the M1008 (pickup) to go Humvee. :baldy

    Ahh well. Progress.

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  11. Tripl Nikl

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    A diesel conversion of the Jeep or modernized Jeep would have been a simple engineering job.

    Rollovers is a training issue. If someone can play with grenades they should be able to play with a Jeep. Though some military folks shouldn't play with anything more dangerous than a pen! :lol3 Still, it's a training issue, IMHO.

    As for the Hummer doing what it was designed to do, I don't argue that. It meets its design and contractual requirements. However, the introduction of "interim" tactical vehicles shows that there was and is a need for such tools in the toolbox. If the Hummer was getting the job done, they wouldn't have gotten those in the system.

    It would appear that the G-Wagon is becoming the more common Jeep alternative out there. See, cheap COTS solutions! But the road to a cushy post-retirement job is not paved by cheap COTS solutions.
  12. PirateJohn

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    G-wagen for the Marines was referred to as an "interim" solution. That was a decade or two ago and they have never been replaced as far as I know.

    Oz had some 6x6 Land Rover scout vehicles that had Isuzu Diesel engines. They are being replaced by a 6x6 version of the G-wagen that may spawn an AMG version for some civilian markets.

    The other side of the coin is that supposedly Mercedes only renewed their contract with Austro Daimler Steyr Puch (or whatever the hell they call themselves today) for another 2 years to produce the G-wagen, and many see that as an ominous sign.

    Navistar is really pushing their mine-resistant trucks at $600,000 a pop and that is what has been replacing the American General vehicles in Afghanistan and Iraq. Several other countries make their own version of that style of vehicle and that may well become the primary military truck for future military usage.

    Meanwhile, Mexico uses a bunch of US pickup trucks along with some new Ford-based armored trucks. The US-style pickup truck will probably increase in popularity among many nations. Particularly since Fiat now owns Chrysler, they are spinning off Ram Trucks, and their subsidiary Iveco has a long history of selling military vehicles.

    RIP Defender. We will miss you but the Pink Panther versions supposedly handled like crap and I cannot imagine that the Defender armored up very well.



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  13. Bonsai Elephant

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  14. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    The original spec was for something to replace the Jeep: behind the lines, 'light weight,' people and equipment hauler.

    It was never designed to go into combat. That its been pressed into duty for that is a testament to both the ingenuity of the troops and the short-sightedness of the guys planning equipment purchases.

    Back to Landy questions: there's a Disco on CL locally with a blown head gasket. How hard are those to do? How much of the crap on top of the engine needs to come off? etc etc etc :ear

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  15. Mercury264

    Mercury264 Once you go Triple...

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    Some of my scariest journeys have been in one of those (with a box body though not soft-skinned). Total death traps :lol3
  16. Hay Ewe

    Hay Ewe Just a Wannabe

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    Depends on the type of engine. A totally blown head gasket on a TD5 could well be close to terminal for the engine. If its a Tdi not so bad. V8 i dont know.
  17. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Polar Bear Wrangler

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    FWIW, it's not uncommon in the Disco V8s that a blown head gasket is actually a slipped liner. Not impossible to fix, but a much bigger job than just replacing a HG.

    Caveat emptor
  18. mdouglas71

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    This thread rocks! i have a new afinity for rovers now :rofl:rofl:rofl The new RR sport is a bit expensive, but defeinitely my new favorite of the bunch..
  19. RomaDakota

    RomaDakota Illuminatus!

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    There is a pretty decent DII article in the latest Rovers Magazine; (Rovers North) publication. I was not able to find a copy online.
    Basically, consider major engine work. If you are fine with that, then proceed. I have owned several Land Rovers and the DII has been my overall favorite however it has not come cheaply nor without pain.
  20. Bonsai Elephant

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    I recall being stuck in one in waist deep mud, hard top, about half a million in communications gear fitted in the back with space for two operators, sound familiar?

    It took a Bedford four tonner to tow us out.

    Happy days!

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