Lane Splitting in Ontario: the time has come

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  1. Otherworld

    Otherworld Been here awhile

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    Well to be fair to the rest of Ontario, it's time has come because of the Toronto, the city that pretty much ruins "it" for everyone else. Traffic is terrible. How do we get this done? I'm inclined to believe leading by example (by simply doing it responsibly) will move the needle. Have also considered the more likely outcome of most doing it irresponsibly, and those who dont do it, taking up the issue as an opportunity to demonstrate moral superiority (i.e., pontificate about rules).
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  3. Mr. Canoehead

    Mr. Canoehead Taste Gunnels!

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    Do they even allow motorcycles in the HOV lanes in the GTA? From what I remember, they don't and that would be a better place to start if not.

    I think you are opening yourself to major injury by "leading by example". In the five years I lived in the GTA, I saw more road rage incidents than I care to remember and you don't want to be on the receiving end of some insane soccer mom's rage while on a bike.

    Personally, I don't understand why lane splitting isn't allowed everywhere - it works like a charm in the UK and California. Well, maybe I do understand - when I spoke to people about it in the UK, the attitude was, "It's better for everyone since the bikes aren't taking up room that cars can use". In Canada, nobody sees beyond their front bumper and the suspicion that someone might be getting some kind of unfair advantage.
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    Actually the allow motorcycles in the HOV lanes in the city, but not on the provincial (400 series) highways.
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  5. Maggot12

    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

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    What has Toronto ruined for everyone else? Traffic is terrible there, but I guess you'd have to get MP's involved/ petitions etc, to change it.

    I agree with Canoehead and wouldn't try it myself just because I thought it was right. I'm not a betting man, but I'd wager you wouldn't last an afternoon trying it in any Canadian town that has traffic lights and a few backed up cars.

    I've lived in 4 province and travelled in many countries. Canadians for some reason, hate to see another motorist gain any kind of ground against them. Most of Europe, some places in East Asia and south America where I've been, vehicles move to the side and let you pass, if they see you gaining on them. Doesn't matter the speed.

    I've tried to pull forward many times either left or right to get in the left or right turning lanes and had people block me out, and those are folks going straight, which has nothing to do with me or where I'm going. It's frustrating.

    My motto in life. "don't get upset over things I can't control."

    Good luck.
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    Soccer mom's are totally clueless behind the wheel. They'd run you off the road and blame you for being there. A guy in a cube van once attempted to crush me into the parked cars. When I confronted him why he did that, he explained lane splitting isnt allowed in Toronto and was teaching me a lesson. Serious. That was his reason. I should have punched him in the face and explain that was a lesson in not trying to kill people.

    After much riding there, Ive adopted the European practices. Lane splitting works because drivers respect motorcycles. Id start here by splitting still or slow moving traffic, with the expectation someone will drift or encroach the other lane (i.e., the passive-aggressive Toronto lane change) without looking.

    I hate driving in this city. Fuck this thread. I should buy a MetroPass... hmmmm... subway in Toronto. FFS.
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  7. Mr. Canoehead

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    Well, that makes total sense! :fpalm

    Yup. That's Toronto. And if he killed you, people would say it served you right. Happens with cyclists all the time.

    I love that one - the person who can't decide which lane on the 401 will be faster, so they drive half in each lane while they figure it out.
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    Actually it does, different jurisdictions.
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    I’ll filter past parked cars waiting for construction etc., but I’d never lanesplit here. These bastards WOULD slam into you. Want to instantly transform a nice person into an asshole? Put a steering wheel in front him/her
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    Excellent reply. I would love to see lane splitting become a law, but @Maggot12 is absolutely right about people here not wanting to give an inch to someone else.

    I take the gardiner/lakeshore daily and people are completely selfish D-Bags. The moment the smallest space opens up people will force their way into the opening. So image you splitting traffic when some tired and self-centered D-Bag tries to grab the opening?

    Plus the amount of time, money, and public education required by the provincial government may not be inclined due to sheer #s. Look at how long it took to get HOV lanes, now they are doing HOT lanes.

    If the # of commuters on motos was larger then we would stand a chance, but I don't think we have the numbers to justify the province in spending $.

    Just my opinion.
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    (Nihilistic) Jokes aside about fucking this thread, given that there does exist this thing called respectful driving I cant help but wonder how do we get from where we are now to a world where lane splitting can be done safely and without resentment from cars.
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    People in California are as aggressive (or even more) than Canadians yet lane splitting (for the most part) works there. The big difference i(IMO) s that motorcycles are prevalent there and are seen as a solution to traffic congestion. Here, the government barely tolerates motorcycles - why else would Ontario ban them from HOV lanes?
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    The experience related by Maggot12 mirrors my own, and is the reason filtering/lane splitting won't work anywhere in Canada.

    This lobster joke from an article in the Globe & Mail describes the Canadian condition well,

    "Two tanks of lobsters are in a restaurant. The first has a cover to stop the lobsters from climbing up the sides and escaping. These are American lobsters. The second -- the Canadian tank -- doesn't need a cover. Every time a lobster tries to climb over the top, the other lobsters pull him down."
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  14. RumRunner

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    Lane splitting would be too dangerous in GTA - I use the shoulder or ditch to get by stalled traffic. And I use the HOV on all the 400 series hi-ways, because I saw an OPP cop on a Harley do it too. lol
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    Lobster story nails it, descriptively. The problem, as alluded to earlier, is envy: I existentially suffer from following all the conventional norms, you ought to also! Perhaps the solution isnt enlightenment. It's re-writing the rules. Too late to get this elevated into an election issue?
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    ....rules, specifically, the drivers test.
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  17. CanadianX

    CanadianX Oh!? That is deep.

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    Tough to change driver attitudes in Canada. Our driver training sucks and licensing is easier than drinking beer until it comes out of your mouth. People look at driving as a competition instead of a collective effort to get places. There are enough dbags who see driving as a competition vs a collective effort to get everyone down the road efficiently and get upset if you don't wait your turn. It seems between shitty drivers and aggressive drivers there a near miss weekly in my house. I've seriously been considering going back to an older bigger truck with big fuck you welded bumpers with a sticker that says "happy to bump uglies with you".
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  18. ZiggyInNc

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    Do any Canadian provinces allow Lane splitting?
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  19. CanadianX

    CanadianX Oh!? That is deep.

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    I don't believe so, 95% certain none do.
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