Last of the 990R or 1190R?

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by reinhardt, Dec 21, 2012.

  1. reinhardt

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    I'm not sure if I posted before or introduced myself before, but I like bikes, and riding bikes. Do enduro's, and off-road racing, MX a bit, and play on the farm with a Sherco trials bike. Kids all ride from about 2yrs old, and started racing as well. I'm by no means a good rider but just like riding bikes.

    I've got a 300XCW, just sold my 800GS, because not using the 800 so much, but I'm itching for a dualsport again.

    If I buy I want to buy new, so 990 R sound nice, and the 1190 sound like its a 1200 GS competitor. What do you guys recon? I even think of a 690 with Dakar conversion, but the thumper worry me a bit?

    A dual sport is like 4x4, you still use them most of the time on tar, although you tell your mated that you're a hardcore offroader. Still saying that you do not want to be frustrated by a overweight companion. The new 1190 is only 10kgmore than the 990, so makes you wonder, but the fun factor????? There is nothing nicer than to get on sandy stuff, stand up, and start pinning, with suspension that just soak up everything like that 300!!
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  2. Tiggersteve

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    My tuppence as a non owner,
    The 990 is well known as the best off roader in the big adventure market and I really can't see KTM compromising with the 1190 or R
    But the 1190 will be a better road bike,

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  3. cjracer

    cjracer AWD please!!

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    I think they did when it was decided to put the exhaust under the bike and lower the suspension more. :ear

    Coming off an 800GS, the 990R will be an eye opener. The 800 makes me yawn.

    Get the 990R, if you don't like it trade it in or sell for the 1190 when it comes out. Only you can really say after you've ridden them.

    I see the new 1190/R as a BMW GS. Not the best when it comes to off road, but then most don't do much more than gravel, so it will be perfect for the KTM lover with a HP addiction.
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  4. DuctTape

    DuctTape Been here awhile

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    To me it's more about electronics and riding aids, or the lack there of.

    I bought my 990, 1198 and RSV4, Boom, Boom, Boom for one reason and one reason only. I have no use for electronics on my bikes. Never had it and don't need it now.

    The ABS on the 990 is an annoyance I can live with but TC, WC, LC, multiple maps, push button/auto suspension adjustment, etc are totally useless to me and just make the bikes harder for the owner to work on. I've never used the Traction control on my 1198 and the Map on my RSV4 is set to RACE and has never been changed but I do only ride them on the track and my 990 only sees pavement for fuel.
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  5. Harold Waikiki

    Harold Waikiki oldfatdumbbrokeoutofshape

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    Get a 950 or a 990. Ride the 1190. Get it too.
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  6. laramie LC4

    laramie LC4 crash test dummy!

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    i was in the same boat. the beginning $20,000 price tag on the new bike turned me off. the horrible looks sealed the deal. i bought a new '12 990R a few weeks ago and couldn't be happier.

    laramie :beer
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  7. Ramv

    Ramv Been here awhile

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    Although I have neither....

    I hate the DTS, can bus and all the other electronic crap on myDucati. I do like the efi after a few map updates. I love my SE for being simple and a great on/off road bike. aBs would be a deal breaker on any bike for me. I think both adv R would be between these two with the 990 being very close to the SE and the 1190 some where in the middle. I find the Ducati boring but an effective commuter. The SE is fun on the twistes and dirt.
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  8. raddad

    raddad Raddad

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    While I haven't ridden the 1190 I can offer this. I was ready to pull the trigger on a BMW 1200 GS. I rode the Triumph, the BMW and just before making up my mind, I rode the 2011 990R. In fifteen seconds I had a grin that went from one ear to the other and there was NO comparison in the bikes.

    As a motocrosser from waaaay back in the day, the 990R offered superior off road capabilities and felt like old home. I have ridden the bike at 100+ mph on fire roads and over some decently technical stuff as well as my first long road trip where I put in 1400 miles in 4 days....

    Still have that grin from ear to ear. Best purchase I ever made....

    The 1190 will have bit more grunt for the highway, but I didn't need it and don't want any more for the dirt...

    PS - you have to be 6' tall to ride the R or buy a lower seat -cuz this thing is tall.

    Best of luck.:wink:
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  9. wpbarlow

    wpbarlow Long timer

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    The fact is that no one knows how the 1190 will be in the dirt. The only published person who has ridden (and who owns a 950) the 1190 said that the 1190 was not only better off road than the 950, but he said it was also better than the 950SE (and I admit that makes me skeptical).

    Granted, only one person's (admittedly suspect) opinion.

    But consider this-- motorcyclists in general are pretty conservative and generally uncomfortable with change. Great example of this is when the 990 came out; it was pretty roundly dissed by many 950 owners as a Starbucks Warrior. Now it is (properly :lol3) venerated.

    It's your money of course and if you need to buy right now you have no choice anyway. If you can wait, ride both and then decide. And don't worry too much-- if history is any example, new 990s will probably be available after the 1190 comes out. Plus, I believe there will be a whole lot of farkled late model 990s on the market when the 1190 is available.
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  10. Digitdion

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    Well said my friend! I t,hunk you have hit the nail in the head,
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  11. reinhardt

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    Thanx for the good replies. I think I have to wait, test the 1190, and see that fatty first, then maybe there will be a couple of 990's left????

    I'll hate it to waste money to buy 990 now, and see that I must have bought the 1190 instead. 2nd bikes do not sell so well.
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  12. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    Very hard, if not impossible, to believe.
    But, then again, WTF does a nobody like me know.
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  13. Schannulleke

    Schannulleke Been here awhile

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    Do you have a link to the source of this?
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  14. LC8rider

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    I went to the bike show here in the UK with a head full of excuses NOT to like the 1190. It is far more beautiful in the flesh I promise you (except the exhaust). Threw a leg over it to see it from the riders angle. Very nice and very slim, doesn't look it, but it is. You can tell a lot of thought has gone into the bike. Hadn't been on it for more than half a minute when a brolly dolly asked if I wanted a test ride (March 2013 release date). Seemed rude to refuse, so I am booked to ride each of them in the new year :clap. Price has put me off and I love my 950 too much to be seriously tempted. Also, I am not a fan of electronic enhancements on bikes. Hard to fault find and expensive to fix, never mind the fact you might be stranded in the middle of nowhere.

    Rambling on a bit I know, point is, I tried all the big DS bikes at the show. All had similar prices, but only the KTM had any real chance of me parting with lots of cash - if I had any :cry
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  15. Sadlsor

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    From just another keyboard warrior... I will agree with OCF Rider, his modest self-deprecating manner notwithstanding.

    While most bikes are (and always seem to be) more capable than most riders, the SE pared-down to dirt essentials (except for the ludicrous and thrilling over-abundance of torque and horsepower) in comparison to the 9x0, much less the1190, couldn't possibly under-perform in its native environment next to these others.

    The results will be apparent once the 1190 is actually available, and though I'm not a gambling type, I'd wager a sum of money on my previous statement. I have great admiration for the design and execution of the SE, cognizant of the fact it's not for everyone.

    In the end, however, it's nice to have choices. I would love to ride the 1190, but don't see exchanging it for my Adv -S.
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  16. Tiggersteve

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    I understand all you die hard 990 fans and yes they have a "look" and appeal of their own,
    I rode the standard 990 twice and it was a riot but unfortunately it wasn't "road" enough and i bought a Tiger 1050,
    change is inevitable and the price difference (UK) makes me feel there is room for both especially if (hopefully from my point of view) the standard 1190 has more "road" feel, the styling will be more accepted altho i still think it looks like a KTM so sales are likely to rise,
    the die hards will have the 1190R which is certainly taller than the 1190 and the electronic package is not available on the R,
    I'm looking forward to a test ride :rofl it will be good,
    the offroad opinion i think was from BIKE magazine,
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    DockingPilot Hooked Up and Hard Over

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    Well spoken Commander.
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  18. wpbarlow

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    It's in the BIKE magazine special pullout section. I don't know if it was in the US copy of the mag. It was posted in the 1190 thread for a few days before it was deleted.
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  19. wpbarlow

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    Think back to 2003 Chris-- would you have been a believer if someone told you that KTM was going to bring out a near 500 pound bike that would be fantastic in the dirt?
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  20. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    The "S" was bought in Oct. 2003, but I suppose you're asking me to think...before that. If some told me KTM would be coming out with such a beast, knowing what I knew of KTM/Penton history I wouldn't have been to skeptical. Although, as much as I love my 950, the term "fantastic", being applied to it's dirt prowess, has to be put relative to any other such beast. Compared to a 525 the 950 is a fucking pig. But compared to any other twin, or three cylinder "adventure" bike, it's feels like God himself made the KTM.
    For a nearly 500 pounder, it truly IS fantastic.
    The 1190, to me, just doesn't look "right" somehow. And for all ballyhoo in regards to 150hp, off the tarmac.................who cares? The maybe 100hp that mine has can't be made to hook-up, so an extra 50hp is gonna be better? On the street though, oh yes, an extra 50 hp would most certainly be fun! :D

    CW
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