laws on sleeping outside?

Discussion in 'Trip Planning' started by dadridesagain, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. Hootowl

    Hootowl Long timer

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    I've done that in California
  2. Hootowl

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  3. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice In Garrison.

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    This will be a big part of my trip.
    I have zero experience with MC adventure touring, but was a Corpsman with the USMC (2008-2011.)
    MC: 2013: CRF250L. Weight 320lbs. With gear, water, and fuel. around 350lbs at least.

    The Primary use of the off-roading abilities of the bike would be to secure good "hides."

    Like many of you'all typed, the location and timing of setting up is important.
    I'd like to stage on the out skirts of the next town I plan on riding into.

    For example, my first stop would be the Frances Marion National Forest in S.C. USA.
    Just glancing at the map, I feel good about finding a good place for the night. Seeing how there are several highways that run through her.

    I'd try to be at the camp at least an hour before dark.
    I'd try to find a single track trail and ride down her a spell and then push into the tree line and secure the bike. I'd then go back and erase the trail I made. Of course, if folk were around, i'd find another place.

    I'd then use a big'ol greenish tarp to create the hide. My initial plans do not have a small tent in my table of equipment. I like the big'ol tarp as a bike cover and as a lean to shelter, and to cover up my gear while riding. So it is really a three in one deal.

    After making the hide, If I was feeling sketcy, I'd use rope for extra secruity alarm.
    If I was really feeling sketcy, I'd lay dog at a good spot over watching the bike (maybe read a hard cover book), then walk to the hide for some sleep.
    If I thought a Platoon of NVA where going walk up on the hide, and the weather was good, I'd sleep under the stars with one eye open on the bike, from a good 30 meters away with a high ground advantage if possible.

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    I'd pass on the gun here in North America. Not sure about anywhere else.
    I'd just use a pocket knife as my primary and my gerber mulit tool as my secondary. :D
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    The Walmart package would work if you intorduced yourself to a nice looking middleage couple that has an RV. You could park next to them and maybe even sleep on the top of their vehicle.
    Sleeping on the grass just off the curb would have me kind of sketchy. A car could jump the curb and run over you.
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    I like the cemetary and Church locations. Great advice.
  4. lwood10

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    If you plan to camp in the Francis Marion soon with no screen on a tent you better have plenty of DEET. Pretty good skeeter, snake and gnat year this year.
  5. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice In Garrison.

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    thanks for the guy on the ground intell.

    It is appreciated.

    I'd hit the road around late December (from the Mountain Valley region of VA).

    Hopefully, the FL everglades will not be too bad in January.

    But, you make a good point. Buy early summer time in Alaska, I'll be destroyed.
    I'll have a Recon 5 sleeping bag that has the deal that provides a net that zips up over your face. Not too sure how tiny the netting is. I'll look into it.

    Thanks again.
  6. Twilight Error

    Twilight Error Going nowhere slowly

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    If there isn't any sort of arrangement to keep the net at least a couple inches from your face, it won't do much good. The sound of skeeters buzzing - even if they can't reach you - is nearly as bad as being et.
  7. lwood10

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    Plenty of good places to camp in the Francis Marion (even stealth sites but you are allowed to camp anywhere) and all are free except Buck Hall which is a RV type campground. Skeeters will be thinned out by December but there are some late season deer hunts with dogs and that can get hectic. Deer season closes Jan 1. After that it should be pretty quiet out there. Definitely get some no-seeum netting, to keep gnats out. won't be bad in SC in December but FL is a whole different story. You could probably get away with a screen tent as long as you have a tarp for the rainy days. Sounds like you are planning a great trip.
  8. eakins

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    and that might be the dividing line as far as getting harassed by cops or land owners.

    they see your bike and so they know you're not a homeless wanderer but a tired traveler, so you have a plus there

    they see you have not set up a tent and thus digging yourself in, but rather you're tired and need rest. no cop would ever want to be on the receiving end of forcing a tired person back on the road and potentially crashing.

    i once was sleeping in my car during a road trip and parked on the side of the road. cop stopped and woke me up with his light. i said i was completely exhausted and it would be very dangerous if i continued to drive. he said ok, rest up and then be on your way.
  9. eakins

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    great idea. everyone sleeps at the airport.
  10. eakins

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    the opposite.

    i was camping in a field in california, just pad and sleeping bag.
    i heard noise and woke up in the middle of the night. a heard of deer had layed down and was sleeping all around me. i went back to bed. woke up in the am and all the grass was all matted down in a circle around me.
    awesome to say the least.
  11. razcob

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    § 18.2-125. Trespass at night upon any cemetery.

    If any person, without the consent of the owner, proprietor or custodian, go or enter in the nighttime, upon the premises, property, driveways or walks of any cemetery, either public or private, for any purpose other than to visit the burial lot or grave of some member of his family, he shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.
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    § 18.2-128. Trespass upon church or school property.

    A. Any person who, without the consent of some person authorized to give such consent, goes or enters upon, in the nighttime, the premises or property of any church or upon any school property for any purpose other than to attend a meeting or service held or conducted in such church or school property, shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.

    B. It shall be unlawful for any person, whether or not a church member or student, to enter upon or remain upon any church or school property in violation of (i) any direction to vacate the property by a person authorized to give such direction or (ii) any posted notice which contains such information, posted at a place where it reasonably may be seen. Each time such person enters upon or remains on the posted premises or after such direction that person refuses to vacate such property, it shall constitute a separate offense.

    A violation of this subsection shall be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor, except that any person, other than a parent, who violates this subsection on school property with the intent to abduct a student shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.

    C. For purposes of this section: (i) "school property" includes a school bus as defined in § 46.2-100 and (ii) "church" means any place of worship and includes any educational building or community center owned or leased by a church.
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    If I'm camping in an area that's populated I try to find a spot before it gets dark, but I don't actually stop yet. I then go get some dinner or just hang out somewhere else until well after dark. Then I go back to my spot and crash out trying to use as little light and make as little noise as possible. Up early in the morning and gone.
    Setting up before dark, even if it's just tossing a bag on the ground, seems an invitation to get hassled. (I'm talking about borderline spots here, not nice spots out in the woods where it's definitely OK).
  14. Jamie Z

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    Are you a lawyer? You're just quoting laws here. Do you have any thoughts or opinions?

    I don't think it's any secret that cemeteries and churches aren't public property. Thanks for pointing it out.

    Jamie
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    bones_708 Been here awhile

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    Come on now the thread is "laws on sleeping outside" and I think it's good to note that there is some risk with some locations. I think if you were nice when the cops roust you then they most likely will let you go but if someone just broke in next door to where you are illegally camping then expect to spend so time at the station.
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    Okay Matlock, thanks for the heads up.
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    The statutes regarding churches and cemeteries are typically written as a means of putting a nice little bow on top of any egregious or reprehensible conduct associated with your presence, think of a protest, vandalism, obstructing access, etc. Having charges filed for taking a discrete unobtrusive nap is highly unlikely to lead to prosecution at any level whatsoever, to the contrary if you represent yourself in an amicable way, the church is more likely to greet you with a bagel and hot coffee than any measure of retribution.

    Rest areas are a bad idea for many of the reasons posted in this thread, to which I might add from experience. Sleeping on a picnic table is a notable exception to this down side; Dogs from every corner of the continent release themselves, as do humans with overactive bladders, no patch of grass is sanitary in this respect, worse, every tick and flea infested mutt for several decades that rolled around in the aromatic urine soaked grass, leaves behind parasites that are eager to hitch a ride in your crotch and armpits to the next rest area... and so on. Rest areas are great for a short nap during the day, head down on a picnic table, lousy place to sprawl out on the grass. Horrible in my experience.
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    On a trip from Massachusetts to Florida I decided to take a trail about 40 yards into the woods behind a rest area thinking that might find fewer ticks about. After hanging my Klim outerwear from a few branches, and napping on a poncho liner I awoke to find ticks ascending the gear hanging from the tree like so many free-climbers on Mt Baldy. While beating my clothes against a sapling, a rest area visitor's daughter detected my ritual from the parking lot and went screaming "MOMMY MOMMY there's a man beating somebody up in the woods". Standing there.... in my long johns... the rewards of serene shut-eye quickly subsided.
  20. jknight611

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    When traveling on my bike I try to avoid the interstates like the plague but here in the treed south there is generally a fence line that borders the interstate. There is a service area (wide trail) that follows the fence. I have stealth camped ( no campfires) there a few times quite comfortably. In some areas this fence can be 150 yards from the road with a thick line of trees and the road noise and your visibility is reduced. I use a hammock and tarp that is a sage brown practically invisible through tree/brush cover.



    Jay


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