Leather vs. Textile 60mph lowside shredding test

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Gruesome, Oct 15, 2011.

  1. Anders288

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    It's a Firstgear Rainier nothing to hold the armer in place. Shoulder,ankle hand.
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  2. txwanderer

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    Anders288, I guess I missed something so please bear with me. You had a 60 mph get off and walked with no or little injury? I won't debate the use of leather, kevlar or what ever and we all have to use what we can afford and have the safety we are comfortable with.

    I understand the concern about the armor, but a lot of jackets have better retention for the armor, might not be perfect, but,,,,,,,,,

    I hear folks gripe about gear getting trashed but they are unscathed or have minor to only annoying injury. Sounds like it did its job to me. Life is a comprimise, safety, cost, protection, venting and many factors go into gear. Just asking your take.

    Cheers
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  3. Anders288

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    I was only on the asphalt for about 15 feet before getting on the grass. I have been down at over 125 on the track and have always walked away


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  4. txwanderer

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    Track is for the most part a differnt critter though. Speeds are much higher.
    FWIW, it really is safer too. Less furniture, no texting drivers, traffic all going the same way, yadda yadda.

    Glad you are OK. Thanks for the response.

    Cheers
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  5. Gruesome

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    A few extra facts from the 2007 test:
    The abrasion damage was mostly (large) holes, not ripped seams (see pics in the pdf file). The Rukka 'ArmaX' (and others) apparently also abraded in spots without protectors, hence the conclusion that there would have been skin or soft tissue damage.
    The test report acknowledges that abrasions resistance won't prevent broken bones, and that their setup didn't test for that.
    The leather jeans were of the type marketed to bikers, but without protectors (Held 'Tucson' leather jeans, 135 Euros).

    The more I think about this, and the kind of traffic I'm moving through, the more I'm convinced my next investment should be in some extra lights for the bike. (Already got the reflective tape, and the more conspicuous paint for the side cases.)
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  6. MotoandCo

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    I've been riding for 25 years in various weather, situations etc etc....I have always had textile equipment and been pretty pleased with it. Since I got in the US, I discovered the Roadcrafter, bought one and love it. It is one of the most versatile piece of equipment I owned.
    Few months ago I opened up a store in Minneapolis, selling Segura motorcycle leather jackets and other gear. :norton
    So I've been riding with a leather jacket since and like it for the feel of it and the look but mostly around town and short trips.
    Last Sunday/Monday needed to take a trip from Minneapolis to Chicago and back. Decided to ride, the season is coming to end.
    Cool weather in the 50's and 40's during evening ride. First came in mind to gear up as usual for long trips, silk, fleece, roadcrafter, but men I'm selling motorcycle gear, so let's leather up. Picked up a pair of pants from the store, zipped it up to the jacket. The overall feel and look was pretty good.
    First thing I noticed, leather is tight fit and doesn't leave much room for working different layers configuration. Found the right balance, took off, had a great ride down and back to chicago...The leathers worked really good, surprised me for the comfort they offer on a long trip. It feels safe, I didn't miss my Stich when riding, but when I got to Chicago for the few hours I was there, I was in full leather gear not the best for city sidewalk and going to the meeting I needed to attend.
    Bottom line having both is great, pro and con both ways, the big con for leathers would be heat, above 80's, I'm not sure about wearing them. But there is "something" about leather that can't be matched by textile.
    In term of safety, as it has been said earlier, look at road racing and we have an answer.
    On my website, I'll post a detail gear review for those interested.

    Fabrice.
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  7. high dangler

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    Have you used perforated leather ?
    I have both textile and leather gear. The perfed leather gets the most use in summer.
    To me there is nothing worse than being covered in textile on a hot day.

    If you want to know what material works best to protect your body from pavement ,just look to the racetrack . Its all leather.
    If something better comes along Im sure they'll be using it.
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  8. tgeliot

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    In other words, leather looks cool, but textile is cool. :D
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  9. txwanderer

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    You got me to thinking and that is kind of dangerous. We all wear what we think is best and has proven itself to us.
    I frequently ride all the Gulf Coast states, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas and the ocasional run from Texas to Minnesota. I wear the same thing. A textile jacket with varying under garments. This seems to work from the 40"s to the worst heat and humidity that the coast can drum up.
    It would seem that the Germans are promoting their leather, armor and such. It is like going to Amsoil for oil info, or Motoport or Aerostitch for safety gear and holding their "fact" as gospel. Not bad info by any means, one just needs to remember where they are reading it and use it to make your own mind up.

    This is a great thread.

    Happy reading
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  10. Gruesome

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    Those Germans (Bavarians, actually, as us other Germans would like to point out) with their Lederhosen! :D I don't think the 'General German Automobile Club' is trying to push leather suits, although it is true that some swabian made-to-measure leather suit ranked first in their test. But BMW sells an awful lot of textile suits.... Incidentally their headquarter and that of the ADAC auto club are in the same town (Munich).
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  12. Zerk

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    What I heard is leather will hold up longer, where a textile may be wrecked in one accident. Though you shouldn't be having accidents every day.
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    One thing to remember is that while leather is hands down the best protection, a good textile garment will provide better protection than a pair of Wranglers and a DILLIGAF t-shirt. Just like wearing MX boots on every ride is not practical for everyone, wearing leather is not always practical.
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    my not-so-special textile equipment didn't show any damage in a highside on gravel/asphalt mix at about 45 mls lately (cage cutting me in a right hand corner).

    Broke my collarbone, though.

    I'm now wearing my armoured mesh jacket under my textiles, as it does fit quite well.
    And while my jacket does hold its protectors quite well, the mesh jacket, which I bought for the hot summers here, does really keep them in place and has more of them

    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=720930&highlight=Bulgaria

    see end of page 1 for the face plant

    edith : some of the cheaper pants come with knee protectors, but only empty pockets for the hip protectors - better fill them up immidiately.
    When as a beginner I lowsided with max. 15 mls on gravel, the hip hurt 3 weeks. I quickly bought protectors afterwards.
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  15. MotoandCo

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    Pretty much. I did though, simmered in my Stich few times. I enjoy the 50's degree weather we are having right now.
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  16. Zerk

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    while I don't advise it, I slid down the interstate starting at 80ish in Wranglers. Nothing bad really happened. Some bruises, nothing huge, maybe a scrape. But no huge amount of road rash.

    I am not advocating this, but its not as bad as some people say.
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  17. IRideASlowBike

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    Yes, now try that again, sliding backwards on your knees.
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  18. Zerk

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  19. Zerk

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    I did get a couple small rips in my leather, which was over 10 years old, and probably not taken care of as well as it should have been. Some of the inside stiching pulled apart from the lining too. Few stiches and it was good to go, though I never tested it. Due to global warming it shrank in the hot sun.:D
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