left hand rear brake...(+rekluse)

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  1. Patacca

    Patacca Pimp my SE italian style

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    Hi to all
    As I was thinking to go for the rekluse (for really dirt everybody here seams to love it and I guess in downhill it can be usefull not to switch off the engine when not want to).

    My questions are....

    How many of you (using rekluse) have the rear brake on the left hand now, and which solution did you follow.
    a) I mean which (brand and model) pump-lever kit did you buy.
    b) what happened to the normal clutch lever (did you remove it or you put a smaller one or what else....


    Thanx :clap but here there is noone using it so I can't find info for these things.

    CIAO RAF
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  2. hilslamer

    hilslamer 2XRedheadedstepchild

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    You might also consider one of these, best of both worlds: retain manual clutch control AND have the rear brake on the bars:

    http://www.clake.com.au/
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  3. viola-tor

    viola-tor Needs to ride!

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    I don't think you want to remove the clutch lever, because once the engine is up to "operating" RPM you still use the clutch lever normally, the Rekluse is really for the low RPM friction point stuff. You still gotta shift somehow, and I'm certainly not good enough to clutchless shift reliably (nor do I want to, the clutch is there for a reason!).

    Having a left-hand rear thumb brake would be trick as hell!
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  4. Windy

    Windy Been here awhile

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    I can testify to that! last weekend my clutch slave failed half way into a 300 mile trip. The Rekluse meant I could keep going (and ride back the following day) But clutchless shifting made the journey more than a little hairy:eek1

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  5. LocuL

    LocuL Gnarly Infantry

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    I´m all in clutchless and have 70 hours on the complete kit. A really good kit when it comes to rocky area and especially when you are riding steep downhill.

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    Ps: It´s on my 530
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  6. Patacca

    Patacca Pimp my SE italian style

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    I was thinking excatly that!

    In trikky condition downhill I guess I will appreciate the rekluse so that I don't have to worry about the rear brake stopping and the engine suddenly (that will be a really problem if the engine stops there is no way to release the clutch hoping the engine will start again in the rocks or mud downhill)

    So you don't have anymore the clutch on your 530 or you still have it?
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  7. pfb

    pfb Riding, not skiing.

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    As at July 2008 the CLAKE retails at AUD $1180 (about $1080 USD) :eek1 :eek1 :eek1 :eek1 :eek1 ​

    You can get a complete rekluse pro setup WITH rear brake for a lot less than that...
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  8. Patacca

    Patacca Pimp my SE italian style

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    Do you have a link or something to check?
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  9. Sheep Shagger

    Sheep Shagger Show me your fleece

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    :scratch How have you set your up then? The whole idea is no clutch lever is needed as it's automatic. Just roll off the throttle, rekluse will kick in like pulling in a clutch lever, change gear, roll back on the throttle. Seems the normal setup is at idle clutch is fully engaged, at just above idle it's slipping the clutch, above that it's off. Depending on springs / bearings used you can change the amount of slip and where it's fully engaged.

    Never had a rekluse on something as big as a 950/990, or used the pro version (I think that's the only one for 950) but it's the same principle, so surely closing the throttle kicks the clutch in and change gear like normal?

    Even if you have yours setup to slip at idle rather than fully engaged, it's still enough for an easy gear change. So I guess I don't understand why you need the clutch lever at all to change gear with a rekluse. Unless I am completley missing something on the 990/950 setup?

    I never use the clutch lever with a rekluse, but then again I do clutch-less shifts a lot of the time on bikes with clutches, so maybe I just don't feel it.

    I completley understand not wanting to loose the manual override, as I still constantly use the manual clutch on the smaller KTM's with rekluse. I've lost count of times I've kicked the bike over in gear thinking it's in neutral, or needed the clean out a bogged carb on high altitude, not very nice if you don't have a manual clutch.
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  10. LocuL

    LocuL Gnarly Infantry

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    Hep

    Yep i don´t have the lever mounted anymore. I switched it for the Left hand brake. It works really good. I´ve ridden in some nasty rocky sections in Enduromaniacs(Romania). Just concentrate on driving the (mountain)bike

    Still if you don´t have the clutchlever and quickchange as i do. It won´t release/disengage fast enough in racepace. Not that it matters anyways, just for your info. Well thats the case with my 530. The engine is to "slow" to disengage the "rekluse-way". But when slowriding and especially in technical sections.

    I don´t really se the use on the 950/990, but i haven´t tried it yet.

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  11. FakeName

    FakeName Wile E Coyote SuperGenius

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    Lots of very accomplished riders swear the LHRB is enough reason to go with the Rekluse, and the auto clutch is just a bonus. At one point, I nearly converted my clutch to a brake handle, but:

    After using mine for about a year, I often still use the clutch manually. This weekend, I had a dirt ride with my taller dual-sport gearing installed and it helped on rocky hill climbs to have the clutch control.

    It does, however, vary with the setup of the Rekluse. Mine was set up by someone pretty experienced who knew the right engagement point and the desired amount of slippage- all controllable via tungsten balls, etc.

    Even when I had a manual clutch, I didn't use it more than about 50% of the time, except for starting from a standstill. A bike transmission is not like that of a car with syncros, etc.

    Clearly you don't slam the gearbox under pressure, but clutchless shifting is common.
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  12. Qwik

    Qwik Adrenaline Addict

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    I periodically drive Rigs and we always clutchless shift them so I got in the habit. Drive my Toyota P/U and my 950 the same way. 26,000 on it with no issues.
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  13. LocuL

    LocuL Gnarly Infantry

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    Maybe but what is the right setup for you Fakename??

    You should set it up yourself. There isn´t any right setting. Mine engage a little when the engine is iddle. Thats because the grunt of the 530 is good at handling it with all the tourqe.

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  14. Windy

    Windy Been here awhile

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    I have no idea what the difference is with the different versions/bikes, but it doesn't work like that on mine (z-start pro, 990 A).

    The only way to disengage the clutch with the Rekluse is to lower the rpm to idle, however engine braking forces the rpm to stay above idle untill you are almost at a standstill, not a good plan when changing from 6th to 5th at 80 on the motorway!

    Before anyone disagrees, I admit there is a very good chance I don't know what I'm doing :D
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  15. Sheep Shagger

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    Not disagreeing, but you know you can change that behavior? They give you a bunch of springs and ball bearings (different material), and a chart. The chart will list how hard you want the clutch to hit or slip, and also the RPM for clutch to take effect.


    So if you did want to change what you describe (I'm not saying this is the best thing to do, it's a personal thing). You could either higher the RPM of the clutch disengage, or you could add more clutch slip (soften the hit). Either will make the clutch effective at a higher RPM, but will give you vastly different feeling at low speed / RPM.

    On the 950/990 you may well not be able to dial all that out to get a smooth gear change, out due to the speed / mass of the flywheel as you said. I've only ever run rekluse on 2 strokes (light flywheel by comparison) and am use to clutchless shifts, so never noticed what you describe.
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  16. evoluzione

    evoluzione Been here awhile

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    i have the pro version on my 2008 990 adventure and i really like it (i still have the clutch lever). you can do clutchless upshifts/downshifts but i've gone back to using the clutch because they are just smoother. off road, the rekluse allows me to concentrate on riding the slow stuff much easier.
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  17. Windy

    Windy Been here awhile

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    Hi Speep Shagger,
    Disagree away, it would be boring if we all thought/experienced the same :D.
    I tried the different springs (for the rpm disengage), and was told by Rekluse that on the 950/990 you cant reduce the number of ball bearings, just add the tungsten ones (which make it slip less). Personally I would like it to slip a bit more initially, but I'm at the lowest I can go.

    On clutchless changing, it's not something that I've done often, so I imagine practice helps! I can manage it fairly smoothly from 3-6th but 1-3 is more than a *bit* clunky, and practising it in a traffic jam on the M1 isn't to be recommended!


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  18. Sheep Shagger

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    That's a bugger you can't change it on the 950/990.
    As for practicing, on the up-shift, while you have throttle pulled, put some pressure on the gear lever (up obviously), not a great deal though, then let off the throttle you'll find that at the sweet spot RPM it will just slip right in to the next gear. Do this a few times, and get used to the sweet spot, will be different on all bikes. Then once you have that down, you can change as normal and do clutchless shifts that don't ruin the box or have a clunky change.
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  19. dlh62c

    dlh62c Long timer

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    +1. Keep it.

    I have one in my 640. When down shifting, if you don't match your speed to the proper gear, the engine braking will send you over the handle bars. I also use the lever when upshifting when my ground speed and rpms are high, like entering a highway.

    You want it there for safety. That lever is the fastest way to remove power from the rear wheel. If the bikes in gear and you happen to twist the throttle past idle...off she goes.

    I've been there when I needed to keep a bike running because it would not idle for some reason. The only way to do that was to keep revving it. That's hard to do without a clutch lever disengaging the transmission. Without a clutch lever you would have to use the back brake to hold the bike if its in gear.

    The installation of a Rekluse does not turn your transmission into an automatic. You still have to match your speed with the correct gear. You can't put the bike in 5th gear and just pull away from a dead stop. The clutch won't last.

    There's trade offs with a Rekluse. Parking a bike on an incline (facing uphill or down hill) and losing the ability to push start a bike are two. It will transform your whole off road riding experience. Being able to walk along side the bike as you slowly twist the throttle is a plus for loading it into a pickup. Riding without a functioning slave unit or a broken lever is another.

    Recap: Keep it it for now. When you get use to the Rekluse then maybe replace it with a rear brake lever. When using the clutch lever you don't slip the clutch with it, you grab it....shift....then just release it....no easing out. As you roll on the throttle you feel the Rekluse slipping the clutch.

    Here's a video of one in a KLR650: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uhoU2dquVg


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  20. Patacca

    Patacca Pimp my SE italian style

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    First ride without clutch (with rekluse)

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