LEO types and speeding

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  1. trturnerfamily

    trturnerfamily Adventurer

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    Let's hear from some LEO's about when they turn on the bubble-gum machine, hit the siren, and pull you over for speeding. Is there a formula? What do you allow? 10MPH over? 15? Do you go for for reckless riders? Riders who are endangering others? How about the "quota" for tickets that we have all heard of? Does it exist? Is the age of the rider a factor? Gender?

    A LEO buddy of mine says he gives 10-15 on a highway. 'Bout 10 or so on local roads. After that, you get a good lookin' over and maybe pulled over.

    I know, I know, different Leo's and different departments - Staties, Locals, County Leos, don't all follow the same guidelines. But what do our ADV LEO's do?

    Sloooo-movin' Rick
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  2. mike54

    mike54 You don't get me

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    No good will come of this. :lol3
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  3. HiDesertFox

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    Hello Rick!

    Excellent question. As you mentioned in your last sentence, "I know, I know, different Leo's and different departments - Staties, Locals, County Leos, don't all follow the same guidelines," is a true statement and yet a frustrating one to the motoring public. Especially those that travel for a living in various regions. It would be nice if all of LE were on the same page. However, as a general rule, I'd say that most LE agencies use the 10 MPH over the posted speed as the area they start looking at someone. I have in some cases given 15 MPH grace, depending upon the roadway and conditions.

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  4. bostonsr

    bostonsr Just weight

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    well...getting a ticket has a lot to do with if you're a dick to the officer or not.

    most people write their own tickets.

    abe
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  5. Klay

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    I was really nice today and the kid still wrote me a ticket. And it was only nine over.:bluduh Well, that's the way it goes, you speed, you get a ticket. Eventually.
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  6. mikerd400

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    Younger Officers are more likely to give a ticket. New to the job and take it pretty seriously. (at least where I work).

    On the freeways, I generally give 15 mph, depending on traffic conditions. On freeways, if I have a speeder and a tailgater, I always go for the tailgater. On highways and city streets, I give 10 mph. Don't be the one to stick out. If you're over the speed limit, don't tailgate the vehicle ahead. Avoid lane changes which help you stick out. Let the other speeders stick out by being on the unsafe vehicle.

    Also, pay attention to the news/paper. If you notice that there is an increase in collisions, and fatalities, you will see an increase in enforcement. Watch your speed where alot of collisions occur.
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  7. ClayLR

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    Yeah - I always try to keep a rabbit to the front and left of me. When I lose him, I fall back and look for a new rabbit.
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  8. OldBMWMaster

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    Being in the radar shadow of a large truck is good too.

    It is easy to find a shadow on the bike. I also find I get less attention in the work truck than I do in my personal SUV.

    I am guessing LEO give working stiffs a break.
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  9. Ninja Geoff

    Ninja Geoff It's okay, I'm a Ninja

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    One of my roomates old friends is a LEO. I asked him what he goes by and said 10mph was the limit, and that if the person was rude he'd hit them with anything he could. Younger cop, i think he was 23 when i talked to him about it. That was ~2 yrs ago.

    I find that driving a truck on the same route every day so they see you a lot and acknowledging the office on the side of the road or coming at you by safely and rapidly lowering your speed to the limit have saved me from a couple of 15 overs in the next town over. And that was in a 40 mph zone and a 45. The first time (in the 40) i had a car in front and two behind. The officer didnt pull out at all because we all slowed. The second time i could see his hand making the slow down motion as he was driving at me. Simple wave, nod, and brake and he kept going.

    And admiting it was stupid to speed and apologizing gets you out of a wreckless driving and impounding of your bike and possible arrest for doubling the speed limit at 3 am. Just the monetary fine.
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  10. ghostryder

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    In Atlanta....
    10 over on surface streets
    20 over on the highway
    And that statement before was true.....most people talk themselves into a ticket.
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  11. repo

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    Me and 2 others were riding home on interstate through NC last year....doing 15 (at least) over the limit...in construction zone (none-working).
    We were in second lane.

    I look in right mirror the two others had drifted wayyyy back from me. WTF?

    I hear a siren chirp and look left....only to be eye level w/ unmarked SUV.

    He waves me to slow down (which I did).

    Then he proceeded to pull over the car in front of me.
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  12. JoMoThumper

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    It has been over 10 years since I wrote a traffic ticket but here were my guidelines.
    The 10 mph guideline is pretty universal. 15+ is a definite stop. For us 20+ was a potential trip to jail.
    Have your ducks in a row. Insurance, check. Registration, check. All your lights working, inspection, kids in a seat, seatbelted (if in a cage), check. Don't give them a smorgasboard to pick from once pulled over.
    Being cordial and no BS helps. Don't have to kiss *ss, that's annoying. As previously stated, don't be a d*ck. It also helped if you had a good driving record.
    Again, don't stick out. That means no tailgating, changing lanes w/out signaling, cutting folks off, putting on makeup, reading a book, etc...
    If a specific request has been made to patrol for speeders in a particular area things get a bit tougher. Taxpayers expect results and Johnny Law usually delivers on that.
    As far as quotas go here is how it worked for us. Every month each officer had his/her total citations put onto a spreadsheet into different categories. For example: speeding, traffic control device (stop signs/lights), insurance/registration/inspection, faulty equipment, no seatbelt/unrestrained child, reckless driving and so forth. They did the same for criminal offenses, warrants and you get the idea. The average per officer was then calculated. If you were below that average your name and total was highlighted for that month. Below average 2 months in a row in the same category then the Sgt. spoke to you about it. 3 months in a row it was written and now officially on your permanent record. I never heard of anyone below below the line for more than 2 months. It's just too easy to increase your numbers for citations.
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  13. Gizmo

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    Tell that to the last 2 officer's that gave me tickets. I have alway's been polite, cordial and considerate whenever stopped. For example, I alway's take off my helmet and when asked for my license and registration, I inform the officer where it is before I reach for it. But, without a doubt, you are correct that if you are a bonified jerk, asshole etc. you write your own ticket. It is an individual and luck thing.
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  14. Gizmo

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    Again, don't stick out. That means no tailgating, changing lanes w/out signaling, cutting folks off, putting on makeup, reading a book, etc...

    Interesting... on three separate occassions (twice on motorcycle and once in a cage) I was cut-off to the point of having to break hard, in front of an officer's who did not bother to stop the offenders. These experiences have left me to believe, that the police are mostly interested in going after speeders.
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  15. Laughingdawg

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    What I'd like to know is how some of the state troopers here in VA justify to themselves the way that they'll do 25-30 over to get back to their speed trap spot to be ready for another person doing 10 over. There are a couple down here that I wish had a "you drive like a jackass" sensor on their car that automatically invalidated any tickets they gave out while the sensor was activated.
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  16. ClayLR

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    You dare drive a mere 20 over on the beltline in atlanta?? Brave man
    10 over seems to be reasonable safe unless you're alone here. The irony is 15 will get your license yanked, automatically. (Assuming it hasn't been reduced below 15 by the time the judge drops the hammer.) Not a lot of margin.
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    Nope, I dont think SoCal Rob and the other guy from the other threads want me to respond:lol3








































    FUCK EM...

    I generally give 15-20 over:eek1 yeah. that much in my town. There are sooo many cars doing 10-15 over and the magistrate will just toss them for less than 15. If someone is tailgating AND 15 over or no turn signals and 15 over, thats good to go.

    As far as that QUOTA system......

    If I give out 5 more cites tomorrow, I get a new MICROWAVE and a small color t.v.:wink:
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  18. fallzboater

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    Because they can write more tickets that way, which will obviously increase public safety. Duh!

    -David
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  19. Motor31

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    It's been over 10 years since I was a LEO on street duty. I was a municipal Motor Officer. We didn't have a set limit as to where we would write a ticket for speeding. My own personal standards were pretty lenient. I gave 10 MPH on city streets, I regularly wrote for 12 to 15 over because for the most part that was almost 1.5 times the limit. The exception was for school zones, I held that 5 mph over got stopped. Kids were too vulnerable to give much slack. According to the statutes, 21 MPH over the limit was a criminal citation vs the normal civil one. I often wrote for a lower speed to allow the person to go to the traffic school and drop the points from their license.

    What has been posted is true about attitude. You will not give any reason for the Officer to give you a break by being an ass. It never ceased to amaze me the number of folks who thought I was going to give them a break because they called me names, threatened me or my family or raised their voice. I didn't "try" the case there on the street, that's what the court was for. I didn't mind going to court as I was selective about writing tickets so I didn't have a shakey case. In addition, the court building was airconditioned in the summer and heated in the winter, better than my bike was. :wink:

    I have cut some folks loose (an amazing thing for a Motor) when they convinced me they were an adult who just made a mistake. Those were the folks who said something along the lines of "yup, I did it and I'm sorry." I already had all the justification I needed for the ticket when I made the stop so I didn't need admissions from the driver.

    As far as a quota was concerned, we didn't really have one. The supervisors knew we had other things to do besides just write tickets. Time was monitored to the minute on your log. Our first duty was collision investigation, traffic enforcement was secondary. In addition we were the riot squad, rapid response squad, backup to uniform for heavy calls and any other thing that needed to be done that the regular units couldn't handle. If we weren't otherwise busy we were expected to be doing some kind of traffic enforcement. In that case one traffic contact (warning or ticket) per hour was expected. Given the lousy driving the average person displayed that wasn't hard to comply with. In some cases all you had to do was just write the ones who you had a near miss with. :eek1 Speeding wasn't everything, there were red lights and all kinds of other things being done.
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  20. Hammer

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    Back up a minnit....
    Am I understanding you correctly that you can review a driver's record right from the patrol car? :ear
    Cuz that could really suck for those with <some> cites.
    How far back can be seen?
    I'm much better lately! Really! :evil
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