Let's buy a winch for Chelan Search and Rescue

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  1. CodeBlue04

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    Two weeks ago I found myself in need of help from Chelan County Search and Rescue while riding part of the WA BDR above Lake Chelan. The Deputy that responded only had hand tools (a come-along and some tow straps) to pull my bike back up to the road, and I think that sucks. He helps several of us out every season, so let's give him a hand and buy the man a winch.

    Story: https://curiositykillscolby.com/2017/09/21/wa-bdr-section-4-a-comedy-of-errors/

    GoFundMe Campaign: https://www.gofundme.com/winch-for-chelan-county-sar
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  2. phreakingeek

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    not sure when I'll be able to make it down there, but like to help a worthy cause...and a little positive Krash-Karma never hurts.
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    Thank you!
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  4. Hangar14

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    would they even be able to mount and use it? I am an on and off Chelan County 7 Volunteer fire fighter/EMT. I have suggested, and offered to fund a winch on one of the Brush/Rescue trucks (Ford F450 based truck) and was told that since there was no SOP or training to use winches, we could not just start using one. I started to inquire about what sort of SOP's we would need to add a winch, and it was way more involved than I had time to sort out. Then summer happened and stuff caught on fire, so I forgot about the whole deal.
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    Yeah, that sounds just about right for the average county-level goat ropin'.
    No good deed goes forgiven...
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    Reminds me of a similar story, have to go find it, a couple rich dudes in some remote town bought a bad ass completely rigged out "rescue" type truck" for their local Fire/PD. Ended up the couldn't use it and it actually had to be auctioned off for some stupid reason like this.. wasn't and "approved" vehicle or something.. so stupid. I'm sure they will tell us what we can do if we give them a call...
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    I was involved in SAR for years. Just mount a capstan winch and rope on the rig. Don't ever have a conversation or training and if it EVER comes into question it's simply an incomplete piece of nonfunctioning gear. We never had an inquiry about it. Same deal tho, liabilty monsters lurk everywhere with cable winches.
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    I like your thinking & would be in for 20 if it can be confirmed they have approval to use it
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    A hydraulic wheel motor, a steel rim that fits it, a power steering pump, and a log splitter valve. You can mount it on a skid for portability. Power in/out and works great for high lining gear and dirt bikes across canyons.
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    Yeah, they would totally use that.
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    What components do you think are inside the commercially built units?
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    The lawyers would have your Balls in a Vice before the paint was dry. Welcome to todays reality. If Volunteers are involved it's a whole nuther nightmare.

    A commercially produced Power Saw Winch would fit this need perfectly. Since it is comercially made and has the required safety stickers all over it...it stands a chance of getting approved. They are the shiz for remote use. Lots of Rescue organizations use them so there is a good chance there is a training program that satisfies the legal issue.
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    A good hand winch might get by all the SOP/red tape hurdles:

    Wyeth Scott with Amsteel line: Model 3-35-A-SLT has a 12,000 pound pull and 6,000 pound lift rating, and 35 feet of line.

    And to the OP: a good Z-drag set up might have given you the leverage to get out of that by yourself. I have a home-made one, but Best Rest makes two commercial packages specifically for motorcycles. One has a 3:1 ratio and the other 5:1. At 5:1 you'd only be lifting 100 pounds to pick the bike completely off the ground. Of course, in your scenario, you'd need a small axe or saw to make a stable tripod with some extra cordage (550 or zing it, etc.) to secure it all.
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    Sorry guys, I've been buried in homework. Here is a link showing that he and his command are aware of me trying to get a winch for him: https://i.imgur.com/rWvCYKw.png

    It took a week for his command to authorize it, but it was kosher with them prior to me starting this. I offered to make this happen if he could get approval, and he did.

    We're now over $400!
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  16. Hangar14

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    How do I donate? I will also hit up some Chelan locals and see if I can raise a bit.

    And, wouldn't this work pretty well, and be easy/safe to use?

    https://www.warn.com/utility/pullzall/cordless.jsp

    Or maybe a more specific fire/rescue winch with some pulling power.

    https://www.warn.com/truck/winches/ZEON_10-S_Multi-Mount.jsp

    Have they given any input on what they would be most comfortable with integrating into their SOP? It may be a good idea to let the officers, or vehicle maintenance person have some input on what is purchased.
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    Warn is a local company and might be willing to help out for the cause. Probably wouldn't hurt to give them a call.
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    Warn makes good winches. A 12,000lb winch will do a lot of yarding. I'm a bit confused on the scope of use here. If you fall off the trail and your bike tumbles down the hillside, you will need a winch to get it back up the hill. I get that part and yes it happens. The part I don't get is how you plan on getting the truck with your new shiney 12,000lb winch down the trail where it will do you any good? If you fall off of a road most wreckers are equipped to fish your bike out.
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    https://www.snowmobil.com/Winches/C...skidding-winch-chainsaw::332.html?language=en

    Something like this can easily be transported to the area of need no matter how far down the single track trail of your dreams you are. I know of an XR 600 that was recovered at Gifford Pinchot with one of these. From the trail the bike was just a small white spot waaay down in the canyon. Forest service required the owner to retrieve it.
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    The link to donate is https://www.gofundme.com/winch-for-chelan-county-sar

    The models on the menu right now are the ones he requested after consulting with his mechanics. I'm not clear enough on his truck's capabilities to make determinations on alternate models. I'll just trust the Deputy that he knows what he needs. I'm also completely unsure of what his SOPs are in relation to winch use.

    This is on my agenda for tomorrow. Today I have a two hour physics lab and a two hour chemistry exam, so unfortunately I have to prioritize it for tomorrow.

    So if you wreck on single track you're correct, it's not going to help. The problem is that most tow companies won't go onto 4x4 tracks or fire roads deep in the mountains for fear of damaging their equipment. Search and Rescue does. No tow company was going to come up to Slide Ridge to get me with snow on the ground.

    I once got a flat outside of Ellensburg on a dirt road and my spare was flat (I had just bought the jeep the day before and failed to check). The tow company AAA selected refused to drive down a groomed gravel road for a whopping 2 miles in their Toyota Tacoma with an air pump. Counting on tow companies is a real gamble.
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