Let's see your Man Castle

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by AZcacti, Mar 13, 2007.

  1. ducnut

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    Codes vary by location. However, if you use a junction box, the wires are properly secured, and said box isn't concealed, you should be OK. If that box is accessible through the attic or you're running the wiring off an existing outlet box, you should be good. Just be sure things are properly secured. Obviously, it'd be closer to code than the existing work. :lol3

    I just noticed the existing work, on that back wall, is definitely not up to code.
  2. LuciferMutt

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    I'm not an electrician, but did just spend some time reading electrical code for fixing a bunch of outlets. First, make sure you know what else (if anything) is on that circuit and make sure the breaker is sized correctly for the wire gauge that is used. Then if you want to tie into that circuit, do it by pigtailing the wires -- ie the feeder wire has wire nut connections on the hot, neutral and ground that split off -- one for the existing outlet, and another line for your new line. This way, the wire nut connection is bearing the load, not the existing outlet, and if you remove or have problems with the existing outlet, it won't affect your new line circuit.
  3. go::ahead

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    Thanks guys, I was thinking the same things. Just do it right

    What looks (noticeably) bad about the wiring on the back wall? I'm pretty sure that's original work, not that that's a good thing... I'm not about to redo all the wiring on a rental!
  4. ducnut

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    Excellent advice.

    We bought an estate house, directly from the estate. Our city doesn't require home inspections. Furthermore, we have no code inspector. The previous homeowner had someone add circuits to the existing circuits. He changed all the breakers to 30A, even though none of the wiring could ever support that much amperage. See below.

    Pigtailing is the correct way.

    In my house, I found 6 circuits pigtailed together, in one of the light fixture boxes. As mentioned, the guy had a 30A fuse on this circuit. He electrical taped this mess together, as no wire nut could ever fit. This tape was crispy hard. I could see smoke trails out of this junction box. Scary shit!!!!

    I had the inbound service updated, with a new meter box and proper weatherhead. I hired an electrician to do the work, as this work coincided with work that my utility provider was doing. A couple years later, I got to looking at the electrician's work and realized he didn't install a ground rod. This is required. Rather than call him back, I just did it myself. I've had issues, with two other electricians, as well. Now, I do all my own work.

    "go::ahead", There are electrical books at your local home improvement store. They may not be exact to your local codes, but, they'll get you headed in the right direction and give you a better idea how it all works.
  5. ducnut

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    I wouldn't redo a rental, either. It might pay to get friendly with your landlord and have them consider hiring an electrician to help you and to protect the property and your life. If your city requires inspections of properties for sale, that property would have to be brought up to code.

    Obvious stuff: There are no wire protectors on the wire running through the studs. The wires running to that switchbox(?), in the corner, aren't through the corner studs and unprotected. That particular circuit is clearly added into an existing circuit, by the way the left wall is cut into. If you're sheeting that back wall, the switchbox(?) must face out, as there can't be any type of box concealed by sheating. Also, you need to verify that circuit (how it's mated to the existing circuit, appropriate gauge wire/breaker, protection, etc). None of the wiring is secured to the studs with staples, as required in any code. Some codes have switch/outlet height restrictions.
  6. go::ahead

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    All good info, thanks man. My girlfriend works for a photovoltaic systems distributor and they have a solid electrician in house, I'm going to have him over to check the circuit. I hadn't realized that outlet was added as an after thought but now its obvious!

    I finished insulating that wall tonight and picked up the sheet rock, I'll get the wiring squared away and start hanging rock tomorrow. I can't believe there were actually smoke stains around your electrical "handi-work", I know this wiring isn't up to today's standards but I haven't found anything as bad as 6 wires taped together :eek1
  7. I GS 1

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    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/geckoracing/8309963440/" title="P1000756 by i90si, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8083/8309963440_396a68b98d_z.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="P1000756"></a>

    This was the overnight parking I was offered at Backpackers we stayed at on our recent trip down south. (The milling machine is on the opposite wall)
  8. ducnut

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    :tb
  9. go::ahead

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    Ok so I tore into the box last night and discovered this mess

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    Does that look like burns to you?

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    Back together

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    Conduit that feed through the wall doesn't reach all the way to the box, maybe 1.5" shy. I can't figure out what this these wires even run to, they go through the wall and down into the ground outside of the house.

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    Still no where near perfect but its the best I could do to just tidy up the wiring safely, I'll have my guy check it all this weekend. My real fear is that I'll find more birds nests like that in the house, I'm going to poke around and make sure...

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    Here is the first wall finished. No tape or mud, it would really throw off the aesthetic of the place :lol3
    Those gaps aren't crooked cuts either, some sheets are unlevel at joints by a quarter inch depending on where the studs are
  10. ducnut

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    WOW! :lol3
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    Nice score. I've got two rolling red metal work carts that I don't really need, but might want to have back at some distant point in the future. If you want them in the new cave 'till that day - and that day may never come - PM me.

  12. SantaFeTrailer

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    Hey go:ahead

    I have a copy of the 2009 IRC (the current code that controls in Santa Fe) here at the office that you are welcome to thumb through if you can make heads or tails of it.


  13. JimVonBaden

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    I would cap the brownish wire too, just in case it gets hot later.

    Looks much better!

    Jim :brow
  14. jeep8

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    You should buy a 1.5inch octagon box extension ring to allow you to get a locknut on the conduit in the back of the box. It appears to have only one bare ground wire from the romex, If so, tie that grounding wire to the junction box. Also the 2 white wires appear to be showing bare conductors, they need to be trimmed to the correct length, retwisted and wirenut reinstalled. When I am trying to do my best work I will wrap scotch 33 or 88 tape on all the conections over the wire nut and around the wires to help prevent the nuts coming off or the wires from seperating. Tape or wirenut all unused wires.The 1/2 inch knock out hole on the left side needs a pushpenny or plug in it to help contain a fire inside the box. Use diagonal cutter to trim cleanly the outer jacket on the romex. Other than all that, it looks good.

    This last comment should be at the top of the page.

    Change batteries in smoke detectors when you change your clock for daylight savings.
  15. go::ahead

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    What kills me the most is I can't figure out what it goes to or why, the hunt continues!
  16. go::ahead

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    Thanks! I'll open the box tonight and touch it up.
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    You think that's bad? Wait till I get some pics up of the switch & outlet box I opened last night, pulling all that apart and redoing it correct is going to be its own project
  18. aposaric

    aposaric Garden mechanic ;-)

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    Nice garage. I am not familliar wit US domestic electric schemes, since I am from EU, but to me it looks like an atempt of a 3 phase outlet, so you may want to check it out, I may be wrong but just an idea :-)
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    there should be a 1/16 thich sheet metal plate covering the holes where wires pass through studs, and where the studs are notched shown in the pic (post #5040). just my 2 cents. i'm quoting the 2011 NEC from NFPA 70 the sheet metal plate is to prevent screws or nails from puncturing the wire assembly.
  20. go::ahead

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    huh, hadn't seen that before