Light Duty Diesel Pickups

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  1. DakarNick

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  4. Adam E

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    You won't be able to touch either one for under $45,000. As much as I'd love to have a "small" (:lol3:rofl:lol3) diesel pickup, the unobtainium surcharge is going to make them rediculous. When I came to this realization I started looking at gas models. While hunting for Toyotas (both Tacoma and Tundra) I realized I could get an ecoboost F-150 for a little over $30,000- pretty much the same as a similar Toyota, with better fuel economy.

    I actually wrote a letter to Toyota explaining why I didn't buy one (I've owned several Toyota trucks in the past). Essentially I said that their competition is at least trying to squeeze better fuel economy out of their trucks with "technological innovations" like cylinder deactivation, direct injection, and turbocharging. I pointed out that their minor face lift for the 2014 Tundra with the same old gas guzzling engines sends the message that they're resting on their laurels and depending on brand loyalty too much. Within a week I got a response from them thanking me for my feedback and they insisted that they are working on their fuel economy and hope I'll consider them next time.

    With the threat of these light duty diesels it looks like they'll really have to step it up if they want customers to stick around. (edit:) So while I have little hope that we'll see these trucks at a reasonable price in the near future, I'm glad they're at least pushing the envelope.
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  5. Jurgen

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    Don't know about Nissan, but the Ram is actually on their website now( the big truck thread inspired me to look for them on Monday). I'm thinking November.

    I fear the $45k comment will probably be too accurate though. :huh :cry
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    I currently drive a 2005 2wd 4cylinder MT GMC Canyon. The fact that none of the players had updated the midsize market in a very very long time keeps me from even considering changing now.

    I hope that someone gets serious with the midsize market in the next couple of years. I don't have any desire to go full size (1/2ton) and no I don't pine for a true "little" truck. The midsize suits me just fine. I am the lone ADVrider that will admit to wanting power door locks and power windows with cruise control-- maybe as I'm one of the few who actually drives a vehicle daily without those items. :lol3

    I want it all, and I should be able to have it with improvements in engine technology. More power, better gas mileage (I get 21.5 highway/town/mixed/period) and a nicer interior.
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    A Durango with a Sprinter engine would be cool.
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  8. Adam E

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    You and I are in perfect agreement. I was leaning toward midsize but like you said, everyone has abandoned that market. I went full size again because it just penciled out the same as midsize.
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  9. rocker59

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    Order a base truck for $23k +/- and choose the diesel $2800 +/-.

    Even with a "convenience package" for your windows and cruise, you should be able to get one ordered for under $30k.

    Sure, go to the local car lot and all you'll see is optioned-out crew cabs with short-short beds and big chrome wheels because that's what all the suburbanites are buying. That doesn't mean you can't get what you want, though.
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    All of the automakers are waiting on the Trans-Pacific Partnership to get inked so they can work out plans.
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  11. milq

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    Word from my neighbor that owns the local Dodge Ram dealership is that the diesel option will be closer to $6500. Ugh. In addition, he says there won't be a manual transmission option, so cost savings there either. If all that is correct, it would take many years for me to save that much money in fuel vs the gas engines.
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    http://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the...clude-new-ecodiesel-engine-option/2000009480/
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  13. HapHazard

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    I bought a 2005 Colorado 3.5 5cyl 4wd manual extended cab to replace my 93 Ranger 4.0 4wd manual extended cab and still regret it. The Ranger was better in every way (power, handling, towing, interior materials and build quality) except for 1 mpg less and the GM electric locker is better than Ford's limited slip. Until I had an ECU tune done by a private Colorado owner/tuner it was practically undriveable (torque management would prevent you from starting up on a hill, surging beyond the worst nightmares of any BMW rider at cruise - the dealer was clueless). Jurgen, I wish I had power locks because of the no outside key lock on the passenger door = the peak of cheapness (I think in 2007 GM put the key lock in). It's been reliable, I'll give it that, but not any more than the Ranger.

    The Nissan Frontier is nicer, but thirstier. I don't care for the Tacoma. Both of those trucks are what, 9 years since the last re-design? I would like a real choice of small to midsize pickups. I want a manual trans, but now no full size even offers a manual anymore.:huh

    Between the higher cost of diesel, cold weather driveability, high costs of maintenance and $7000 DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) exhausts, there's no diesel in my future.

    Maybe for my next truck, building a mid-90's rust-free GMC Sierra or Ranger wouldn't be a bad idea...:hmmmmm
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    For $1300 you can get a gas engine in the Ram 1500 with significantly more horsepower and almost the same torque as their new diesel offering. It'll be difficult to sell the diesel in my opinion. The mileage difference has to be significant in order to get over the additional cost of diesel at the pump (where I live diesel is almost always more expensive). It's also been siginficantly more for a diesel engine at initial sale.

    It's been hard to pencil a diesel over gas in a small truck. Makes much more sense when you're towing heavy (need the torque) and putting on significant miles (where the perception of diesel longevity plays into it).
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  15. OaklandStrom

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    I'm sure any small Diesel will be close to the same price as a full size. I just don't see them selling well.

    I replaced my Dodge 2500 CTD 4x4 utility bed (7,200# empty) with a '08 F150 4x2 with a "short" bed (6'6") and a v6.

    200 hp, and plenty of torque. I get 20mpg on the highway, if I keep it around 75.
    The new v6 has 300 hp, a bunch of torque and a 10,000 pound tow rating (from memory, I may be wrong). Not the turbo version, the base motor.

    A small Diesel would be nice, but the payoff would take forever
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    But that's not the only consideration buyers will take into account. If they did, most of the NA public wouldn't even be buying light duty pickups.

    Is it cool? Yup, diesel trucks are cool to an awful lot of people who want a rough n'ready kind of truck.

    Is there any hope of justifying it on a practical basis? Yup, theoretically if/when they need to tow/do long distances the mileage is there.

    But the key thing is, will it have driveable TORQUE? HP wins races, but stump pulling, tire shredding torque will put a smile on driver's faces and those kinds of test drives will make sales. Most of the Ford Ecoboost purchasers I know quickly futz over the mileage claims or payback times and rave about how much fun it is to drive if you get on the boost :lol3
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  17. Range Motorsport

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    They did that it's called a Jeep Grand Cherokee.

    Diesel engine 230hp and 420lb-ft... so yeah more horsepower same torque and 33% less MPG. The diesel is rated at 28mpg, the hemi is realistically 20mpg.

    The dodge will be a base price of about $35k. No word on the Nissan.
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    Where I live diesel fuel tends to be 10% - 25% more expensive than gasoline (mostly depending on the time of year) at the pump. At initial sale diesel engines can be 10x the price of a gas engine. As an example, and I know this is somewhat apples to oranges, the diesel option of a Superduty is over $8000 (edited to add the currently offered Dodge diesel is similarly priced).

    If the Dodge 1500 diesel is even a couple thousand dollars more than gas, and the price at the pump cuts that fuel savings in half, it's going to be a hard sell. Even more so when the (horse)power of the Hemi is 65% more than that of the diesel and the torque is almost the same (395/410 vs 240/420).
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    They are out there... yet I've heard just about nothing about them... Seem like they would be a nice rig... Jeep is making some nice looking Grand Cherokees now too...
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  20. McNeal

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    The real question is what's the difference in MPG while towing between these two engines in the same truck. I've run diesels in my trucks for over 15 years. Back when Ford was selling their Super Duty with the V10 I remember speaking with a few folks who and was amazed at the real drop in MPG they saw while towing verses what I got with the 7.3L PowerStroke engine.
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