Live between Portland and Buenos Aires? Lets Ride!

Discussion in 'Americas' started by TanukiPDX, Aug 7, 2017.

  1. TanukiPDX

    TanukiPDX Been here awhile

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    Edit: I am going to ride from there to there. If you live somewhere near my path of destruction, please chime in and lets figure out how to get a ride in while I am in town. I will leave Portland in January if all goes to plan.

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    USA
    Mexico- No Visa Required
    Guatemala- No Visa Required
    Honduras- No Visa Required
    Nicaragua- No Visa Required
    Costa Rica- No Visa Required
    Panama- No Visa Required
    Colombia- No Visa Required
    Ecuador- No Visa Required
    Peru- No Visa Required
    Bolivia- Visa Required (http://www.boliviawdc.org/consulate/visas/tv ) $160 Get crisp $20 bills.
    Chile- No Visa Required
    Argentina- No Visa Required
    Paraguay- Visa Required
    Brasil- Visa Required

    So even though everyone says to just not plan and go with the flow, I am going to do a little more planning :)


    Tentatively Leaving Oct 3 or 4


    Day 1- Portland to Davis, CA- 573 Miles (10 Hours or so)

    Frank on the ADVRider FB has invited me down, to at least say hi. Maybe he has a couch to swing my way? If nothing else I will join him for some In-N-Out and find my way to a campsite.


    Day 2- Davis, CA to San Diego- 516 Miles (8 hours)
    I have family in San Diego, so I will have food and shelter that night too.

    Day 3-5- San Diego to La Paz Ferry- 930 Miles split over 2.5 days

    I would like to split this up over three days and just make sure I can get on the Ferry on day 3. Not sure on the ferry schedule yet. If possible, I will sleep on the ferry to Mazatlan. NOTE- Looks like it departs La Paz at 8pm, PERFECT.
    www.BajaFerries.com
    Saturday Night?
    $2420 Pesos
    When u cross tijuana. Make sure to stop at the otay border, east of tijuana. Get you tvip and tourist visa there


    Day 6-8- Mazatlan to Chiapas
    Kyle has invited me to stay at his place in Chiapas. He is a mechanic as well and has some space. He is pretty sure I can get from Mazatlan to Chiapas in 2 days, but I am going to budget 3 days just in case. It looks close to 20 hours of riding maybe slightly more.

    IF I am to the border of Guatemala at the end of Day 8, I will definitely be cooking with fire, and you guys will definitely be telling me I am bastardizing this trip lol.

    Day 9- Chiapas to Antigua
    A little bit of a shorter day, but I want to spend some time in Antigua.



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    Notes on getting from Panama to Colombia: http://backpackista.com/darien-gap-4/
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  2. TanukiPDX

    TanukiPDX Been here awhile

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    Maybe visit one or two of these?

    1. Altun Ha Belize
    2. Caracol Belize- Caana
    3. Caracol- Temple of the Wooden Lintel
    4. Lamanai Belize- Hight Temple
    5. Lamanai Belize- Jaguar Temple
    6. Lamanai Belize- Mask Temple
    7. Lubaantun Belize
    8. Nim Li Punit Belize
    9. Xunantunich Belize- El Castillo
    10. San Andres, El Salvador
    11. Tazumal, El Salvador
    12. Aguateca, Guatemala
    13. Dos Pilas, Guatemala- LD-49
    14. Dos Pilas, Guatemala- El Duende
    15. Kaminaljuyu Guatemala
    16. El Mirador Guatemala- La Danta
    17. El Mirador- El Tigre
    18. Mixco Viejo- Guatemala
    19. Tikal, Guatemala
    20. Copan, Honduras
    21. Bonampak, Mexico
    22. Calakmul, Mexico
    23. Chichen Itza, Mexico
    24. Cholula, Mexico
    25. Coba, Mexico- Nohoch Mul
    26. Coba, Mexico- La Iglesia
    27. Coba, Mexico- Crossroads Temple
    28. Cormalcalco, Mexico
    29. El Tajin, Mexico- Pyramid of the Niches
    30. La Venta, Mexico- The Great Pyramid
    31. Mayapan, Mexico
    32. Moral Reforma, Mexico
    33. Palenque, Mexico- Temple of the Cross
    34. Palenque, Mexico- Temple of the Inscriptions
    35. Canta Cecilia Acatitlan, Mexico
    36. Tenayuca, Mexico
    37. Tenochtitlan, Mexico
    38. Teotihuacan, Mexico- Pyramid of the Sun
    39. Teotihuacan, Mexico- Pyramid of the Moon
    40. El Tepozteco, Mexico
    41. Tula, Hidalgo, Mexico
    42. Uxmal, Mexico- Pyramid of the Magician, La Gran Piramide
    43. Xochicalco, Mexico- Temple of the Feather Serpent
    44. Xochitecatl, Mexico- Pyramid of Flowers, The Spiral Building
    45. Yaxchilan, Mexico
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  3. Thunder Tuna

    Thunder Tuna Been here awhile

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    I'm in Portland and interested in this idea. What's your overall timeframe for leaving/returning?

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  4. TanukiPDX

    TanukiPDX Been here awhile

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    Hey there! Sorry for the delay. I am thinking of leaving from Portland at the end of January/ start of February or something like that. It would be a two month trip (I think). I was thinking of riding one way and flying home, but I need to look at a rough day by day for this still. I also have two potential attendees from Kenya looking to meet us in San Diego and complete the trip from there.
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  5. TanukiPDX

    TanukiPDX Been here awhile

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    Day 4- I am looking into how far I really think that I can make it down the Baja Peninsula. Something that keeps going through my head, is how much riding do I want to do off the road? I know that jsut doing the ride on its own is an adventure, but will I want to look for some trails along the way? I want to enjoy the places I go and not just shoot through them.

    Also, since I would already be down there, I would really like to cut through Paraguay and go into Brasil if possible. I need to start nailing down the legs of the trip and see what kind of time this is going to take me. I have a feeling it may turn into 3 months pretty quick if I can budget it.
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  7. rob1313

    rob1313 Still learning

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    You can ride the Baja all on pavement these days. I just did it in Feb. Great ride, lots of options for dirt, but you might want to not push your luck just as you're getting started
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  8. TanukiPDX

    TanukiPDX Been here awhile

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    I actually think the same way. I try to be more cautious on the first part of the trip, but then again, I had the worst wreck I have had on the GS Day 1 of my last trip lol.

    How long do you anticipate it takes to ride from san diego to the ferry?
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  9. MysciraMoto

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    This sounds really amazing and I'm looking forward to following your adventure posts!


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  10. rob1313

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    Honestly I don't remember, my trip was winding down at that point (I was coming up from the mainland) and I was in no hurry at all. I stopped to enjoy the whale watching (totally worth it, I have great pics, even got whale spit on me) If a guy was hammering through it I'll bet it could be done in 4 decent days. But this is Baja, it's worth taking the time to truly enjoy it.
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  11. TanukiPDX

    TanukiPDX Been here awhile

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    Thank you sir. I would really like to take my time. I am thinking of just using my 2 month time period to get to panama lol.
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  13. Sjoerd Bakker

    Sjoerd Bakker Long timer

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    Take your sweet time , don't overplan this like setting daily distance targets and points to be reached each day as per the schedule you may be fabricating ,For instance how can you really "plan" for fuel stops when you don't have a clue as to where it may be available at whatever point you might be -fuel stations close or run out of
    supply, your bike might be more or less frugal than you expected, your day did not progress as far as projected etc etc . Fill up the tank when you need it and at any opportunity you see if there is doubt as to how far to the next chance to fill up.
    Give yourself as much time as you possibly can afford and avoid the micro-management of every single hour of every day . The only pinch point might be if you have made unalterable reservations for a particular water transport mode across the Darien or an absolute time point you MUST be in Argentina at that marked Autodromo ( a race event, probably ? ) you should be free to wander and mosey along at whatever pace you like . To cross the Darien. Airfreight always seems to be the simplest solution to that question here on ADV and that can be arranged for pretty well anytime you show up in Panama .
    Work with general estimates - like your two months to get to Panama - that sounds like a good rate :D
    By the way , how do you figure that going through Baja will take an " extra day " as compared to going via Chihuahua ? What if you discover a pile of scenery in Chihuahua that takes you several days to work through ? Baja is a straightforward run south on pavement , but you can dilly -dally around a lot on side trails if you are in that mindset . The novelty of picking a heavy bike up out of the sand and rocks might quickly wear off though. :rofl
    Baja from San Diego to the port of Pichilingue could be done in 4 longish days but give yourself a low stress ride, take five or six, you dont want to be riding 500km every day anywhere you travel. Your "450 miles a day or so " is only for in the USA, I hope . Once you cross the border out of San Diego County toss that target and enjoy the riding better . -- 450km per day is going to be a hard target to maintain even once you start enjoying things.
    But your PRELIMINARY MAP shows that you are crossing the Sea of Cortez from Sta Rosalia BCS to Guaymas , which is less time in Baja .
    That same map also shows a set of letters -- are those meant to indicate daily driving distance targets ? I hope not, but if so you are far too optimistic.
    Again this is just the first outline for you but with all of the listed sites you want to choose from very few are lining up with contact on your mapped blue route . for instance you have a handful listed in Belize but your shown route does not enter that country at all. Reaching any of the sites will call for deviating from that blue line with an addition of distance and time.
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  14. TanukiPDX

    TanukiPDX Been here awhile

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    I will see what I can do. I need some structure, but mostly for points I am trying to get to. I am open to making deviations and set backs.
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  15. TanukiPDX

    TanukiPDX Been here awhile

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    Alright a little update.

    I have been saving my $$$ for this trip to cover lost wages as well as trip expenses, and I have finally hit the goal. I just need to decide when to quit my job and go. I am thinking sooner than later, but want to try to not get stuck in Central or South America's rain seasons.
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  16. DirtRich

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    Did you consider shipping south and heading north? That's my plan for mid to late January '18. It's my window that works and weather wise I'm thinking it looks like a decent plan. I'll head south out the gate, hit the bottom and head back, and that's about as detailed as I want to get. I have two must do's which if I don't do will just mean I'll need to come back sometime and do later, Machu Picchu and the Galapagos Islands.

    Now a few words, unsolicited no less. Baja without going into the dirt is a lot less than with a bit. I'd say Bahia de los Angeles to San Francisquito, out to San Ignacio is a great detour. The roads are (or were most recently) muy bueno now that Carlos Slim bought most of the coastline and had all the roads graded. I think this would be a great compromise. Baja in less than five days is a sin btw.

    The whole trip in two months is a mortal sin (might literally kill you) and likely not possible. None of my business of course but I think you'd have a much better time in a smaller sphere of travel, big fish small pond concept, or add some time. Or hows this metaphor, "An old bull and young bull we're standing on top of a hill looking at a herd of fine heifers and the young bull said to the old one, 'let's run down there and screw one of those cows!' The old bull replied 'lets not, lets walk down there and screw them all!'" End of story. Enjoy whichever way you go.
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  17. Sjoerd Bakker

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    Also more unsolicited opinion/ advice . If two months beginning in January is the most time you can devote for the ride , and if arrival at the AUTODROMO is time critical , as in a fixed date to be there , then you are probably going to need to " shoot through" much of the scenery .
    Also if you have a job and it pays well enough that in the time since your first post you could set aside enough money to finance this trip it may be worth considering to postpone your trip for a year and save and store much more money. Is yours a " throw away job" that you dislike or are you in some specialty that can get work anytime anyplace and rake it in ?
    Do you really need to quit outright and start at he bottom again later ? Look into the the possibiity of getting a temporary release from work , a leave, for the months you need for the trip .As useful employee with the job skills already will be a value to the company and saves them the bother and cost of training a fresh recruit .
    The idea of chucking the job may be attractive but you make it sound as if you only now have enough money and give the impression that when that is gone you could be destitute .I hope you have a banked reserve of much more to support your living . If not what , what next ..... ? Don't burn your bridges too soon .
    Don't be like a welfare case I know where the couple are broke all the time and in debt, rent in arrears . Then they receive a few hundred dollars and the first thing thy ask is ..." what are we gonna do with the money ? "- and they quickly spend it on buying some frivolous stuff instead of paying down some debt or an actual item they need for survival .
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  18. holckster

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    wheatwacker rode San Francisco to Panama and back in 30 days on a KLR 650.
    tuckers rode San Diego to Ushuaia in 73 days on DR650's
    twomotokiwis rode Alaska to Ushuaia taking 3 years.

    Here is a great website/post by rexbuck about riding Central and South America.
    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/south-america-by-geezer.834008/#post-19822390

    I chose to ship south and ride north 1 month a year over next several years storing moto.
    So far Santiago to Montevideo, then to Ushuaia and back to Santiago and this year Santiago to Lima
    2018 will be 4th trip leaving from Lima to ???.

    You might want to consider starting at the Autodromo to eliminate that deadline from your schedule.

    Mathematically if you ride averaging 45 mph for 6 hours/day x 30 days you can cover 8100 miles (not sure what your estimated total mileage is).
    Now factor in border crossings, road conditions, rest days, fuel/food stops, mechanical issues, weather, ferries, health problems and such and I would double the days.
    Do not ride at night.

    I have envied riders who can stay/live on the road doing loooong trips but I just get tired of the grind and homesick for family and friends so I try to keep trips to 5-6 weeks max.

    Safe Travels
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  19. TanukiPDX

    TanukiPDX Been here awhile

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    Thank you for the advice. The big reason for riding north to south is that I don't want to get down there on a somewhat tight time budget, and find out that my bike hasn't arrived, or is stuck in customs, or, or, or. I would rather deal with that headache receiving the bike back in the united states. The one thing that is nice about shipping from here, is that I have more time to build a crate and prep the bike to ship. I also know that it for sure will ship out.

    The other reason for Riding down instead of back up, is that I have a good friend in Buenos Aires, so I can spend some time down there with him.

    As far as my job, its ok. Not the most amazing job, and no job should ever be about the money. I simply just don't enjoy what I do and I am thinking of this as a nice reset. I figured I would just ride with checkpoints in mind and take it at a pace I am comfortable with. Maybe I sight see, maybe I don't. I will pull over for a picture, or ride out to the ruins as I see them. In the end I guess I will just see where I get in 2 months, and at that point check on my budget and either continue forward, or ship the bike home. I have a pretty good resume and finding a job that will pay my bills while I look for a job that I really want isn't incredibly difficult. I do like the idea of taking 9 months to do the ride or something like that to really get to know the countries I will be in, BUT I think I can still have a great time going at a moderate pace. At my age it is really hard to find time to do things like this, so 2-3 months will really max me out. I am married, but we dont have kids yet. I want to do this before we do have kids. So since she wont ride on back for the entirety of the trip (not sure why?), I have to limit the timeline a bit. If I take 2 months to get to Panama, but have a great time, I wont complain :)

    I am in this for the experience and I think at a fast or slow pace, it will still be an adventure. I just have to not be heart broken if two months doesnt get me there. I am ok with that too.
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  20. TanukiPDX

    TanukiPDX Been here awhile

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    I put away about 6 months of salary plus the trip costs, I have great credit too. I am a pretty responsible irresponsible person, but I really do get your point. If you look at most of the people doing these trips they are at the beginning or end of their careers and not typically in the middle. At the beginning you can take more risks, and at the end it is not as much of a financial burden to take a trip like this. If you look at the demographics buying ADV bikes, parts, taking trips like this, you will see that a huge number are in their 50-60's, while the next biggest group are in their early 20's. So yeah, its a bit if a risk, but I won't do it knowing I could lose my home over it either.
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