Living with a Ural?

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by Thumper74, Feb 16, 2014.

  1. warkshop

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    So pointing out the idea (some might say fact) that one could chose a more reliable mule than a Ural is horribly insensitive, rude and negative selling? Was my comment not accurate or good advice to a potential Noob?

    Point well said and understood. I tend to be 'full disclosure' kind of person, i say what i think. Sadly i tend to speak my mind too often without regard to how well it will serve me. I shall always remain a small one man show for this very reason. I believe there are wiser ways to enter the sidecar world than with a Ural and also feel one can get into sidecaring (although it seems there is an 'artistic flair' deficit) for considerably less $ than a high end rig costs. I have a long list of happy customers from over 20 years of doing this. My gripe is the proponents of these other 2 routes seem to give the impression their's is the only way to join this sport. There are other choices. Claude offers goods and services which are worth every penny if one wants to go that route. He has many happy customers to prove that. I am happy for him (he earned his success) and his customers(they made a good choice for themselves).

    Is it heresy to disagree and state what to me seems obvious? That there are choices?
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  2. jcwvfr

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    I have a '13' Patrol. I have about a 19 mile drive to work using the expressway.....The ural makes me uncomfortable at highway speeds..... I dont get on the expressway with the ural unless I need to make some time....If you are going to be on the expressway at 'Rush Hour' the ural is not the tool for the job. IMHO.....avoid the dealer in Aroura. I tried several times to get info out of them and was in the show room with a blank check..... and they just didnt seem to want/care that I was there. Dave and Jon on the other side of the state from me have always answered any question I may have had.....Even on a Sunday via e-mail... and got me my Partol in a very reasonable time frame. If you want to take one for a test drive let me know.

    Chris
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  3. Bobmws

    Bobmws Curmudgeon At Large

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    Well said Bob. :clap

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  4. windmill

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    The only "wise" way to get into sidecars is in a way that fits each individuals preferences, desires, and budget. For some its a high dollar custom, others its a DIY project, You and some others offer inexpensive installs, and Ural sells complete RTR vehicles, there is no correct or best choice for everyone.
    My initial post in this thread was non committal, encouraging further research into the 2014 Urals, with no comments about the other options.

    You believe in full disclosure, so I will return the courtesy. I have known the folks at IMWA-Ural for many years and consider them friends, I have ridden with them and done events with them, they occasionally invite me to test ride prototype bikes and rigs, and install prototype parts on my rig for for real world testing as I'm a daily rider.
    I have more than casual knowledge about the advances in quality and reliability they have achieved, and know for a fact that the "issues" they have are nowhere near as bad as some folks want or need them to be.
    Claiming someone will most likely have issues with a new Ural is as disingenuous as claiming someone will most likely not have issues with installing a hack on a used bike.

    Your "gripes" seem to be your own problem, as there are all types of folks here with all types of rigs ranging from no expense spared dream machines, to salvage yard shed builds.......and the overwhelming majority of folks seem to have the ability to share their passion without making snide remarks about others or their rigs.
    Were such a small and unique group, there just no call for spreading animosity, especially when you know it will cause trouble.

    Like what others have said and I will repeat, if your looking for a freeway flyer a Ural isn't the best choice, but it you want a Ural for what it is, its more than capable of freeway running if you respect its limitations.

    I have put 88,000 km on my Ural using it as my primary transportation for going on 7 years.
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  5. Strong Bad

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    Except for your bitching about Warkshop's opinions, this had been one of the better Ural threads as far as realistic expectations goes. You, however, have not added anything to the discussion except that Warkshop causes you to have an extreme case of butt rash.

    Warkshop's opinion is highly desirable and respected as an industry insider. He brings in another point of view from a perspective that someone who only owns a sidecar can't. In my opinion all of those in the cottage industry of sidecar fabricators are very welcome to share their opinion not matter if it chaps your hide or gives you a warm fuzzy feeling. I respect all of these guys including Jay, Claude, Bob and others and I hope that people like you who bash their posts doesn't cause them to not share their opinions with us here.
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  6. kshansen

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    Strong Bad, I will second that! Everyone has to remember that there is not a single solution that will fit every application.

    I'm slowly working on mounting an XS400 to an older Velorex not what I would even claim to be an adventure rig and I'm sure Interstates will be off limit but I have the 1250 Sportster with Hannigan for that, and an XS650 with a California Companion to ride to work with knobbies for the winter.
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  7. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Damn I can hardly believe I missed a pissing contest WTF have I been doing ? I wish you foil heads would lighten up on Bob he's been completely reasonable and instructive.Thanks for holding up my end Strong :rofl you do it so much better than I do :lol3

    Commuter rig any old Wing with a hack lots room very reliable and cheap and plentiful.DB
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  8. Strong Bad

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    Dude...I got you covered! What happened??? You get stuck in the snow?? I must admit I was looking over my shoulder wondering when you would come flying by with some totally inappropriate comment! :lol3 I think I re-wrote one of those relies at least 3 times to try to tone it down. :lol3 Takes a lot of control to keep from hitting that "Submit Reply" sometimes!
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  9. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Your exactly right, we had a hell of a wet snowstorm Thur night and though almost all roads are open, but the power is iffy and damage to trees and lines a mess.I could have ridden Tue and Wed in the 40's now this.It's hard not to be reactionary :lol3 especially for me.DB

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  10. Sit

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    Hey Thumper,

    Thought I would throw in my 2 cents towards your actual post.

    I do have limited experience with my Ural, but thought I would share. I got my 13 Patrol last year and it just now has 2000 KM on it. Since buying it, I have made two round trips on it back to the shop I bought it at. This trip is 66 miles each way. My Ural did just fine. Yes it was sketchy on the freeway until I tightened the damper up a bit and then it was just fine; off the freeway I loosen it some. Mine has the power to pull 65 but not much more. Plenty of throttle left, just no power. I think a different airbox would give me more. But the bike is happier at 55. My normal commute is 25 miles one way. I have taken the Ural to work several times and it does fine. Would I do it every single day? Maybe not. It is a fun riding bike, but maybe not the most easy, relaxed riding bike. Most days I take my 1200LT to work, just a nicer ride. Maybe with the addition of a different windscreen, it will be better. In my short time with the Ural have I had any issues? The second trip to the dealer was for a transmission neutral light issue. They got it fixed and all is good. No other issues with the rig. Right now it fires up faster than my LT and once warmed up, just purrs along. I do plan on taking the bike camping and exploring the back roads this summer. I have done some of that already and it does great at that. In the snow, the 2WD does great. So far the bike has meet my expectations and does what I bought it for. So my recommendation to you is to find a dealer that will let you test ride one. Not just in a parking lot, but out on the road where you can get some speed up to see if you like it. That way you can see if the Ural at least fits how you ride. Then you can decide if the Ural fits your bill. Maybe you will find you don't like sidecars at all, who knows. Good luck with which ever direction you go. I am happy with my choice of getting a hack and happy with the Ural.
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  11. Wolfgang55

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    Thumper, You are getting a load of pro & con about the Ural in your future.
    Actually the Ural is now scaring some builders.
    Not so much about the reverse or the seldom used 2wd, but because many builders struggle to keep pace w/ the Urals now setting a higher standard.

    The 2014 is selling nothing here. It is a promise. It's the recently bought & ran near to death Urals that are still kicking about & causing buyers to look again at what was once the ''RPOS''. Now owners wear the POS badge as a level of achievement.

    These are the real deals. Anyone jumping ship (selling your recently bought Ural) go ahead suckers. Give away your tried & true pure fun machine. It is what gave you a reason to get off your fat ass & join in on the ride of your life.

    Ural used to need rider input to keep being a Ural…..now they want to be as near perfect as any other cookie cut out scoot.

    Whatever you get or don't get, I wish it gives as much fun as our GU-11, even if the Ural warranty promise failed us.
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  12. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    How about a little bit of reality Wolfie ? Could you explain your thoughts that they are scaring some builders ? True it's been a better product every year, but completely different than any sidecar builder worth his salt in the US.produces.
    They build a complete motorcycle sidecar with a ohv pushrod engine that has square dimensions bore and stroke are identical 78mm. A design that's basically industrial, built to make allot of low end grunt not run at US interstate speeds.They are very good at that and their reliability is much improved.It's a Russian ATV not a HP freeway flyer.
    But comparing them to what the builders here turnout is comparing apples and oranges or comparing your Rotax powered Buell to a HD Sportster they are both motorcycles.
    But I do agree they are allot of fun.DB
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  13. kjolly

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    Over the last several years IMWA has upgraded the internals - Herzog timing gears, tranny, FD - which should make the engine/drivetrain more capable of handling highway speeds. Adding fuel injection and rear disks on the 14 models might just allow the beast to run on the slab reliably.

    I'm on my second Ural - my '06 ran for 70k - with increasingly longer pauses for repair. I ride every day - my commute is about 20 miles - I will and do run on the slab - I run 60 or so pretty steady - and just don't give a hoot if someone wants to go faster. The nice thing about a Ural is most people think it's some ancient beast - so I get more thumbs up than I do middle fingers.
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  14. Montague

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    Not wanting to inflame this but yes, there are choices. I am lucky enough to have one of each (or more accurately, made the decision to do so).

    The Ural was and still is a wonderful machine within its envelope and I think there is the issue, folks tend to assume that envelope is really limited, which isn't the case. Lots of adventurers have toured the country, the continent and multiple continents on them. They are reasonably reliable, low tech and not hard to work on or find someone local who can.

    But they will and can get you where you want to go. I love my 06 and will keep it forever; it is my choice for back road, trails and relaxed tours but I would not hesitate to take it 500 or 5000 kms.

    With that said, it is a relatively low power machine and that is where the ST1300 with Hannigan fills the need for fast, long distance touring. It will never go down a bumpy fire trail, barrel through a muddy patch of ATV chewed up track and only the gravel roads I cannot avoid during a trip.

    Different horses for different courses.

    But if someone is going to buy just one, either choice can work just fine so what may be perceived as harsh criticism by brand (Urals suck, Hondas suck, your brand sucks) tend to rub most people the wrong way.

    A hack without me and my monkey on it sucks, all the rest are great!:lol3
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  15. Wolfgang55

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    You're you're you're soooo right……………..but there is more to this.

    Ural is not just a sidecar…..it is the most complete ready to go unit in the world of MC & sidecars. But the real proof is not in its speed but in its repeat buyers & the forums that gain in membership. They even have members who have not bought a new or used Ural yet. & if someone does not buy that is equally good too. No Ural owner wants another Ural owner to end up disenchanted. Maybe that sounds like a bit over concerned for someone getting into Uralling.

    There is no builder in this country that can come near the Ural, unless you consider copying their sidecar as even standing in Urals growing shadow.

    Our US builders only add to whatever a customer rolls in the shop. The Ural costs what a sidecar built in the US costs. Urals only need a certain type of rider, they have many types of owners who just have not really got into the Ural thing. Maybe that is a good question for another thread.
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  16. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Ok Wolfie but you know I love to argue. US builders way too often follow the customers lead and half ass a rig with issues, I bought one it was the beginning of my education 83gl1100 Ural 20" of wheel lead it was a parade rig(it only went straight),I bought it long distance and the question I asked the owner : Was it put together by a pro sidecar installer ? Answer: yes of course. Then I found his by line was "affordable sidecar solutions " I 'll do anything no matter how stupid or unethical it is to not charge you much.
    A Ural is far better than any of that behavior, but that is a reflection on US retail (let the buyer beware).
    I will admit a 1 WD Ural that could manage 65 mph without shortening its service life would take care of about 80 % of most sidecarist needs other than ego.
    I've had mine going over 90 but I don't ride it there much, I don't really enjoy interstates if there's any other way to get there (I've met BMW guys who limit their interstate travel to 1k per year). I wish they would do one with a slightly over square motor that would rev a little. But I doubt the Ural clutch an transmission need to be abused more as of course HP is torque multiplied by RPM.
    Tinkering there's enough to do on the German farm implements, especially if you start running them thru water crossing etc.
    A cool off road Ural for me would be 1wd a real aggressive tire in back, extra lights,gas and a lightweight winch.DB
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  17. FR700

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    HP = Torque x RPM ÷ 5252


    ... ya slacker :lol3


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  18. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Thanks Luke, it was a half assed attempt.DB
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  19. BWeber

    BWeber Been here awhile

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    I own a 2006 Ural Patrol with a R90 engine along with several other motorcycles. Nothing I have owned is the least bit practical and all cost more to drive than my car. If it puts a smile on your face you have the correct bike!


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  20. BWeber

    BWeber Been here awhile

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    If you ride a Ural to the limits in cornering I have found the soft steel spokes start failing. Typically they stretch and tightening them to true the wheel causes the threads to fail. Re-spiking the pusher seems to have solved this issue.


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