Loctite - Blue - Red - Superglue?

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  1. The Walrus

    The Walrus Gone and back again.

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    I was just checking the missing fastener thread and wondered what experience you might have with alternate glues.

    I have a buddy who swears by Loctite Red.

    Personally, I get by with some Blue that came with my RT.

    I've heard others say they just go to superglue, but that would mess with the plastics very badly.

    What do you say crew.....?

    Happy Holidays.
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  2. Mully

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    Loctite Blue can generally be removed without heat and with hand tools, where red can't. The only place I can think of on an RT that'd require Red would be the paralever pivot bearing pins; everything else I'd use blue - for example, caliper bolts that you'd remove periodically. You can check Loctite's web site for more info.

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  3. Tim McKittrick

    Tim McKittrick Long timer

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    I and many others have had good luck with fingernail polish as a low-strength thread locker. You can paint it on threads as you would blue Loctite or paint it over the exposed end of a bolt. I have also used it as a position marker on critical fasteners so I can tell at a glance if something has loosened up or moved. Best of all, the price can't be beat- there is a good chance someone you know has a dozen bottles of The Wrong Shade Of Red cluttering up a lonely corner of the medicine cabinet. A lateral move to your tool box will clear up valuable real estate and help to erase those bad memories of Slutty Whore #18.

    Now, if you want a nut or bolt to stay put for ever, you will have to break down and buy a small tube of the red Loctite. My 2oz tube has lasted me over 10 years, so you don't need to get a lot. Just remember to never apply it to something that can't be heated later, and that the smaller the fastener is the better it works. If you use it to secure that eyeglass screw that keeps working loose it WILL stay put- but you will never be able to replace the lens.
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  4. ilmostro

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    If you're going to take it off again, use blue. If it's there for keeps, use red, if it's a bearing use green.

    The red and blue come in neat little sticks now like chapstick. Work great no fuss. :thumb
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  5. Rad

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    Been part of lots of internet debates; oil, tires, bikes, etc but never found the use of blue and red loctite to be of much debate. :scratch

    Unless ya work on bikes for a live'n, a small tube of red will last for many years. If ya also own a KTM and Norton like I do, ya buy the Blue in 50 gallon drums and ya still turn and look back down the road every time ya hear a clunk to see what just fell off :lol3
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  6. The Walrus

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    Not interested in a debate but in the other alternatives. My RT is long gone, I've gotten by with the blue loctite on my GS's but have acquired a KTM Adventure lc4 and have been told that red is in my future if I want to keep it together. So, nobody has commented on the superglue alternative. Is it a viable alternative to the red loctite? I don't relish having to heat things to remove a bolt......
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  7. Rad

    Rad Just me

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    There is really nut'n you will use red for on yur LC4, 'cause it don't ever come apart again without heat :nod

    Super glue? No reason to use it when what is out there, red/blue works so well and is cheap to buy :thumb
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  8. potatoho

    potatoho Cheese and Rice!

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    I use threebond tb1360 for most everything. I like it better than loctite. On stuff I don't, axle nuts, pinch bolts etc, I put a dab of auto goop on the heads. Sortof improvised, but I like the goop because it sticks well and yet is easy to peel off with needle nose.
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  9. BeemerChef

    BeemerChef Wandering Homeless

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    Don't use RED unless you are NEVER going to take it apart... too much of a hassle... BLUE does wonders...
    A side note... as it happens on my bike. sometimes "light" or other "wired" connections that are not soldered come apart... I found that "liquid electrical tape" does a great job keeping it all together... just a drop at a connection and it is guarantied not to come apart... They even come in colors now... I also use it on the "nuts" for the throttle bodies... one drop overlapping the nut onto its base... doing a visual check everyday, if you see that the edges of the liquid tape do not match, well, you will know that the nut has turned and the throttle bodies are probably off...
    Be well...
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  10. Loadedagain

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    ktm uses red on all fasteners when your ktm is new. i have always used red (260, 262, or 272) depending on what fasteners i'm dealing with. contrary to popular belief... colour doesn't always mean permanent so check the data sheet. some red loctite is "removable".

    regardless of type, or use... loctite can be softened and fasteners removed with a sligt amount of heat.... unless you use "272" or another high temp version. then it'll take a wee bit more heat.

    my rules of thumb....

    blue - good for fuck all on thumpers.
    red - 262 for the ktms, except high temp spots which get 272
    green - 680 (me thinks) any worn out races that i'm too lazy to fix right now.
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  11. GaelicDog

    GaelicDog Lesser of Two Weasels

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    I am going with Mostro on this one! Blue works well in most instances! I RED'd a swingarm nut once and had to cut the nut off with a splitter!
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  12. meat popsicle

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    I would be helpful to mention which Red Loctite you used. Loaded seemed pretty clear that some Reds are not for everywhere (i.e. did you use a high temp red on a swingarm bolt? did you try to heat it first before cutting the bugger off?).
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  13. GaelicDog

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    Don't remember, guess it was automotive grade RED. I know we heated the nut repeatedly trying to get it off without luck. Finally had to split it. Been more than a few years ago.
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  14. SteveAZ

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    Blue to me is kind of like nylock nut threads. It just seems to gum the threads up enough that the vibes won't loosen things. It doesn't really seem to make it any more difficult to break them loose, but they just they won't spin freely at all making it just a tad more work to get the fastener free after breaking it loose.


    Now I do use the red sparingly and strategically, but I've certainly never had the problems some of these others are reporting breaking them loose. The red treated fasteners definitely take a lot more to break them loose, but I'm usually in my shop and just grab the big breaker bar or air impact wrench and off they come. I've never had to do anything more to a fastener with red. I've never needed heat, cutting or anything else more drastic than the impact wrench to get them off. YMMV.
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  15. meat popsicle

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    Which Red Loctite you usin' Steve?
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  16. meat popsicle

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    Thanks again for the tip Loaded; I went to Loctite's website and skimmed their "Threadlocker" products.

    http://www.loctite.com/int_henkel/loctite_us/index.cfm?&pageid=19&layout=3

    Click on "Assembly Products" and then on "Threadlockers" to get to them.

    They have stuff listed as "removable" and others listed as "permanent", but the descriptions say to use heat if you need to remove a permanent product. Obviously this is much more complicated than the usual "Red vs. Blue" political discussion... :lol3

    Removable
    Bolt reusability is important in maintenance and repair work. Threadlockers with low to medium strength can be loosened without damage to bolts with ordinary tools.

    222 Threadlocker Low Strength/Small Screw
    242® Threadlocker Medium Strength
    243 Threadlocker Oil Resistant/Medium Strength
    246 Threadlocker High Temp./Medium Strength
    266 Threadlocker High Temp./High Strength
    294 Threadlocker High Temp./Wicking Grade
    2432 Low Halogen, Low Sulfur
    2440 Threadlocker Primerless/Medium Strength

    Permanent
    These products are intended for products that do not require disassembly. If disassembly is required, use localized heat and hand tools.

    262 Threadlocker Medium to High Strength
    Threadlocker 270 - Maximum Strength Stud Locker
    271™ Threadlocker High Strength
    272 Threadlocker High Temp./High Strength
    277 Threadlocker High Strength
    2760 Threadlocker Primerless/High Strength
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  17. The Misinformant

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    I use blue 243 on ANYTHING I take off before it goes back on. Everything seems to come off again easy. My cousin a bike mechanic reakons I should use blue 222 which is apparently an anti vibe thread glue as opposed to a thread glue the 243 is.

    In the KTM owners manual manual 90% of the time you see loctite stated it is the blue 243. The rest of the time it is 222.

    Nothing has yet to fall off in 17 000 kms. My dealer seems to use loads of the stuff as well. I suspect it is the 243 as it looks the same residue on the threads as the stuff I put on.

    The red stuff I dunno as have never used it.
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  18. Cactus Dave

    Cactus Dave Born to Argue

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    Red is removable, it is just tough. Don't go overboard in using either blue or red. Use red if it is internal to the engine (heat, oil, etc). A light application of an impact wrench will remove any red loctite item. Assure that all pieces are oil or film free (xylene is the best greaseless and non-film cleaner). I use red loctite on internal engine parts on my BSA single roadracers, and blue on chassis/external parts. I've never had either come loose. Can there be a better testimonial than 7000+ rpm proof testing on 500cc british (i.e., non-counterbalanced) singles? If it is external (or even internal depending on the application) and you're concerned about loosening/removal/replacement, safety wire the item. It is simple, foolproof, guaranteed, and it works ever time. Period.
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  19. big katoom

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    I picked up some Loctite 248 (blue), it's in stick form and is supposed to be the same as the 243 that's specified in the KTM manuals.
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