Looking for Doctor's Park - 424 and Timberline Trail - 414 in Gunnison Ntl. Forest

Discussion in 'GPS Tracks - Rockies' started by DirtyDonkey, Mar 9, 2016.

  1. DirtyDonkey

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    Hoping to get some help from locals. I'm planning a trip in June/July to Taylor Park and I need some more detailed map info. I've scoured a few GPS, MTB and Hiking sites looking for an actual GPS file but have come up with nada.

    I've been able to map a majority of it using a MVUM map as an overlay to Google Earth, but when I go back to fill in the gaps I see a big difference in the MVUM and actual trail I can see in GE, plus trying to follow trails in dense forest areas isn't helping. I've mapped nearly 30 trails in the surround area on Gunnison North with much higher detail than the MVUM can provide and I'd be happy to share it.

    Below is Doctor's Park Trail. Timberline trail has even more gaps than this.

    Thanks!

    DD.

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  3. Countdown

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    I have a huge file of CO roads and trails. PM me e-mail address, I would love what you have.

    Got it to load, love the increase on possible file size.

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  4. DirtyDonkey

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    Thanks countdown, I'll check it out. I'm going to start a new thread with the trail information, so check that out ezrdr55. I'm pretty close to completing it.
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    Just buy the latest laminated trail map when you purchase your trail permit The district forest service and both m/c shops in Gunnison can supply these Most trails are well marked with signs
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  6. DirtyDonkey

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    I have the lat40 map and a BLM map of the area, both I plan on using as backups. Just hoping I could get a GPX file of those trails is all. Thanks for the suggestion though, they are very handy.
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    Did you look at my file to see if I have any you want or tell me what is missing?
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    I did. Didn't see anything near where we were riding. Unless I'm not doing something right. :)


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    Trails often get rerouted due to erosion, overuse and other acts and so precision on the GPS is a best guess.
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    Why don't you post the actual Tracks (not a photo) of your ride?
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    NJ-Bill Life is good

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    Are any of these tracks big bike friendly? Thanks!
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    They are all collected so don't know. If they have active log data, speed gives you a good idea.
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    Dirt Donkey,

    Not sure if you ever figured this out, as I see it was about a month ago, but I would suggest trying to use Caltopo to create a gpx for these two trails. I'll try to give you a step by step below:

    1. Go to caltopo.com.
    2. In the top right corner, you'll see the current map overlay. Hover over that, then change the Base Layer to Google Layers>Hybrid.
    3. Pan over to Taylor Park Reservoir and zoom in somewhat close.
    4. Change the map overlay to US Forest Service. This is the topo map the Forest Service uses.
    5. Zoom/Pan over to the trail you want to make a track for, say the Timberline Trail #414. I trust you know roughly where it is.
    6. Pan to one end of the trail, where you want to start making your track.
    6a. Warning, this map will not show where Moto usage starts/ends, so you'll have to cross reference another map, like the Latitude 40 or other.
    7. In the top left, hover over +Add and choose Add Line.
    8. A dialogue box will open at the bottom.
    8a. In the Label Area, type the name of the track.
    8b. Change gps type from Route to Track.
    8c. Change the color, line weight, style, etc. as desired.
    8d. Click OK. You are now ready to start drawing the track.
    9. IMPORTANT: at the top right of the screen, you should see something that says Snap To: OSM. Change this to USFS. (Actually, it looks like OSM also has the Timberline trail.)
    9a. You should now see a grey overlay near the Timberline Trail. It's not a perfect overlay, but should be close.
    10. Click your mouse on the gray line where you want to start drawing your track. (Note: if the first point acts funny, hit the Esc key and try again...you will know what I mean if it happens.)
    11. Follow the trail, clicking as you go. You will notice that if your first click was on the gray line, the next time you hover over that line, the track will "Snap" to it. As long as you click while the line is "Snapped", the track will follow the grey line.
    11a. If you accidentally click where you didn't want to, hit the Esc key to undo the last point. This works for the whole track...you can keep undoing if necessary.
    11b. You will eventually find that for whatever reason, the track will not snap to the grey line anymore. If this happens, go very close to your last point, hover over the grey line again, and click back on the line. From there, it should start working again.
    11c. If there are any areas where the grey line doesn't go, just draw freehand until you pick up the line again. You will see this with Timberline just south of Cottonwood Pass.
    12. At the end, double click to finish the line.
    13. After you're finished, if you want to add to the line, hover over it and right click. Modify > Extend. Then you can keep drawing. You can also split lines in a similar manner.
    14. At the top left, hover over Export. Download GPX file.
    15. Choose the line or lines you want to export and click Export. This should download the GPX for you.

    A few notes:
    You can also import gpx's and kml's to this app and manipulate them. This is what I use for trip planning/review, etc.
    You can create an account and save maps for later use if you Sign In from Google, etc. on the left. That will give you a URL you can share with others, like this: http://caltopo.com/m/QFT5
    There are a bunch of different maps you can choose from on the right. Experiment. I often switch back and forth between several.
    You can also overlay maps. I like to use Google Satellite with USFS over the top. Very nice.
    This also plays really well with the Backcountry Navigator Android App. If you get the Caltopo subscription, you can download USFS and Caltopo maps to your phone for offline use, then import the tracks you created for use without cell phone service.
    There's lots more functionality in there...just play around. I find myself surfing around for hours looking for cool roads.

    I hope that helps you. Let me know if you have any questions. I'll try to get back to you reasonably quickly.
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    OK I downloaded the MVUM and hand drew all the missing open trails in the Doctor Park and Timberline Trail area.

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  15. DirtyDonkey

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    Thanks Hoost and Countdown. I'm not sure why I'm just seeing your reply and others. I had this thread watched and never got a notification.

    I just created a new thread with the trails in Taylor Park, this has all the information I was working on for the past few months.
    I'll be sure to add your info during the next revision.

    Thanks and hope you enjoy!
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