Looking to build a sidecar

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  1. hellyhans

    hellyhans Been here awhile

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    Alright guys, will be a winter project or until I find the suitable bike.

    I don't want an URAL, I hate them, hate the power and handling and is just not fun riding city or HW. I'm not taking this Offroad, so no need of 2WD or reverse.
    I have real bikes to play in the dirt...

    So now I want a small classic motorcycle that I will be able to take the sidecar off on occasions so my SO can use the bike.

    The problem is I don't know what type of bike to get,my eyes are for something with a classic retro style like a Honda CB550 or 750, ( the old ones ) and getting a velorex sidecar for it.

    I would prefer something watercooled, but I don't mind an air cooled.
    My budget for this is about 6-7k CDN.
    I can get the sidecar installed for about 1k
    the sidecar for about 1200-2000K depending on the model of Velorex I will find.

    Now that leaves me about 4-5k for the motorcycle.

    Are these older gen Honda's pretty reliable? I know some have issues with carb syncs,boots, etc..

    don't forget, this motorcycle will be principally used by the SO who is not very tall,hence why I want a small retro type motorcycle.

    Any suggestions on other models?
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  2. triumphsidehack

    triumphsidehack Been here awhile

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    Would this work for you ???.......... going to move the R1100 from the sidecar and up date to a different model, not sure which bike just yet ?..... if you have a interest send me a PM and we can discuss

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  3. cog8603

    cog8603 Been here awhile

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    used bonneville?
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  4. hellyhans

    hellyhans Been here awhile

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    Wow Nice setup!.
    The bike is too bike for her. I wanted to get a 1150 or 1200 but now I revised because I want her to be able to touch the ground and have fun riding in the city.

    The side is really nice also on you setup. But I'm looking more for a terraplane type sidecar

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    triumphsidehack Been here awhile

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  6. Sidewise

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    I can almost guarantee that ain't gonna happen.
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  7. hellyhans

    hellyhans Been here awhile

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    Why? I have 3 friends that have Urals..They are just not fun to ride and complicated to remove the side easily.
    Another has a triumph Scrambler 900 with a sidecar and he only installs the side 3-4 times a year when they go ride with the kids...80% of the time his GF rides the Scrambler naked no side.

    Another buddy has a Strom with a a side..Again too big.
    Another has a FZ1 with side...out of budget for me.
    Another has a bandit with side and often takes off the side
    I don't want her to get a 700gs or another bigger bike.
    I have my 8gs, my te310 and those are my toys..She can't really ride any of them easily.


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  8. Kruzof

    Kruzof Bokad's Monkey

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    I'm not clear why your SO wouldn't be happier with the outfit if touching the ground is a problem.

    In any case, except for your Uralphobia, my Ural Retro fills all your requirements for city use.
    It looks like an oldie--that's why it's called a Retro.
    It's low and proportioned for small folks.
    The hack is easily removed and the bike is all set up for solo use with the Marzocchi fork.
    Right side turn signal, crash bar, sidestand and solo-friendly FD available at the dealer.
    Best of all, it's handling is way better than standard Urals.

    Still not convinced? Then I recommend almost any Moto Guzzi.
    Their frames are nearly as sidecar-ready as Ural's.
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  9. Sidewise

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    It is very rare that an installed sidecar is removed to convert back and fro between solo and hack. Re-alignment can be a pretty demanding task no mater how meticulously removal is done. As petite as she seems why bother with a sidecar at all and buy a two wheeled something she can enjoy. I rode an XS650 with a Velorex for a number of years starting back in '91, a nice novelty but always had a bigger more powerful two wheeled bike to fall back on for 2-up. If you had thoughts of the two of you swapping piloting duties the bikes you are considering are too small and not powerful enough for for Hi-way use, they would be relegated to bar-hopper status, in this age of higher automotive speed limits and handling.
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  10. hellyhans

    hellyhans Been here awhile

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    Something like this or a 750 is what I would go for to put a sidecar on it.. and I'm pretty sure would be much more fun to ride than an Ural... I really don't want to take the future sidecar in gravel roads etc.

    What you mention of getting another bike just for her and getting a sidecar was initially considered, but we have too many bikes as is lol

    Concerning the alignment etc I'm pretty sure it depends on how the anchors are made on the bike.

    My friend removes his side on his Triumph in about 30 minutes and nothing is left on the bike other than the attachment points. The anchors on the frame are a bolt that goes through a support bracket hole and is screwed in place, he actually never touches his adjustments for Toe-in,toe-out,camber etc.. they always stay exactly as set initially.



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  11. Sidewise

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    Either of those two Honda Gentleman's Express would make an aesthetically appealing looking outfit. How tall is "not to tall"? If modifications had to be made for her to ride them solo that would render them anathema to sidecar use. I have never considered Montreal Quebec a hotbed of sidecar activity and in my 51 years of motor-biking (26 with a sidecar) I have never encountered anyone who removed there sidecar regularly or even occasionally to ride as solo except to dealer for repair. I don't know how you managed to discover so many?.
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  12. hellyhans

    hellyhans Been here awhile

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    lol, I'm and organiser for an event up here called Les Mammouths, we ride on the first weekend of march when winter tires are not required and is the first organised motorcycle event in quebec for the beginning of the season. We have a yourte setup for camping etc.
    If you know a little about the events in Europe called the elephants. We are the equivalent up here in Canada.

    Check it out, https://www.les-mammouths.com/
    https://www.les-mammouths.com/photos
    https://www.facebook.com/philmammouths/


    Sidecar hype is well and healthy up here.

    back to the bike, my GF rode a sat on a CB550 and she was very comfortable with it, she doesn't need to flat foot the bike, she just likes the style of the older retro style scrambler bikes, but with a more upright seating position.
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  13. Sidewise

    Sidewise Been here awhile

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    I have heard of that event; I prefer warmth after working two winters as a lineman in North Dakota.

    It seems that those you site are not regular side hackers and just use the hacks briefly to circumvent some obscure Quebec winter tire rules. Yes, one does not have to be flat footed at stops to be comfortable but that still leaves the alignment/re-alignment issues which are a lot more involved than your friends indicate to you. Are Qubecois a bunch of big kidders?

    Good luck with your search and winter project, pictures are always valued here.
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  14. hellyhans

    hellyhans Been here awhile

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    dude....please explain what is a regular side hacker and wth is a big kidder in your eyes?
    You probably didn't see many of the pictures, but it's not just to pass Quebec tire rules SINCE WE RIDE when it's legal.. Lots of my buddies and people that come to my event actually ride sidecars every day..
    About the alignment, nobody is indicating or giving me false information, I see these bikes LIVE almost every other weekend. I helped my friend build his KTM 640 sidecar, I know exactly what is involved and how very very complicated aligning a sidecar is.. it's actually an ART especially even it's getting framed/built from scratch.

    Depending on how your attachment locations/damper etc are located and how the builder makes them on the motorcycle and sidecar frame, you can pop on and off a sidecar without EVER touching your alignment, it's all about how everything was built to begin with.

    Now I won't be building it, I will have someone with about 25 years experience of building sidecars and have seen his work..I'm just in the process of finding the right motorcycle that is comfortable,enough power, and reliable. That's why I posted about the CB550/750. Was looking for something that is similar to that motorcyle.

    Not needing a lecture about I will never be taking it off and on, and how people are trying to make me think how easy it is to remove a sidecar etc..you aren't me and we all have different plans and projects. If for you, it takes 3 hours to install your sidecar, fine..

    I see a sidecar on a Triumph Scrambler go from no side to side in about 30-45 minutes about 5 times a year and that includes setting up the jacks and lifting the motorcycle and side as it's easier to slide it in place and he never touches his alignment adjusters.

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  15. Sidewise

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    My current outfit is a total conversion to sidecar use so the separation never occurs. I still have three other solo bikes I ride regularly.
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    I'm sorry if my comments sounded like a lecture to you but so many jump into sidecars with unrealistic expectations and a lack of skills.
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  16. 3legs

    3legs Real men ride sidecars

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    You said a classic bike of around a CB750 vintage. Try not to laugh but I am serious, what about an old CX500 twin. My first outfit back in the early 80's had a Tilbrook attached to it and I loved it. Sure it won't win any races or beauty contest but it was fun, light and super reliable plus shaft drive. It could sit on 110 kph all day long.

    Just my 2c worth

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  17. hellyhans

    hellyhans Been here awhile

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    Hmmm cx500 is pretty nice..I'll see if I see any for sale...Looks pretty rare also
    Is that a Guzzi engine?

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  18. 3legs

    3legs Real men ride sidecars

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    No it's a Honda CX500.
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  19. jaydmc

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    You might consider the Sputnik sidecars we offer, $3495 including proper bike specific NOT universal type mounts which most people can install on their own saving you the cost of installation.
    As to the bike, find one that speaks to you and then make sure proper mounts are made for it as "universal" seldom work out well. At this link you will get an idea of why http://www.dmcsidecars.com/the-result-of-improper-sidecar-mounting-and-the-proper-fix/ also should you take the sidecar off, with "universal" type mounts like the Velorex has the sidecar seldom goes back on with out the need to set alignment.
    http://www.dmcsidecars.com/sidecars/sputnik-sidecars/
    Also you say you do not want a bike that is very tall as your SO is not all that tall. With the sidecar it really does not matter all that much as long as you can reach the controls. My wife who is just a tad over 5 feet tall rides are BMW R1200GSA with no issues at all. While a lot larger do not rule out a vintage Goldwing. Parts can be easier to come by then from some of the other bikes you are looking at and they have a lot more power. I put 150K on a GL1100. I also like the vintage BMW's again due to parts availability. And I also like vintage Moto Guzzi's which tend to be very robust sidecar bikes.
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  20. therealmetalbuggy

    therealmetalbuggy Adventurer

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    As for the choice of a motorcycle,
    http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_xv920r 81.htm
    My 1981 Yamaha XV920RH is low maintenance, has an enclosed chain drive.
    The 920 Vtwin is quite torquey.
    I've been thinking of building a side car for mine for awhile, as they're hard to find in my area.
    It seems it would be a perfect job for the Yammy as it's not fast, just strong.
    My $0.02
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