Loud Pipe design logic

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Andyvh1959, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Zerk

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    While I argue against really loud pipes because it does piss people off, people who say they don't work at all are not honest with themselves.

    Ya you can't hear them when they are 50 feet back, but they are not in a cars blind spot at that point either.

    Sure learning how to drive, and rainbow colored outfits help, but doesn't mean you can't have more then one tool in your toolbox. Years of riding a quite bike with an accident, doesn't prove that they don't do any good either.
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  2. MotoTex

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    No, you've got it all wrong.

    In the past I always thought that it was just such a piece of shit bike that it wouldn't idle. It seemed obvious to me that it was poorly maintained, else how did they lose the baffle?

    This still may be the case for many of these bikes, but I've come up with an alternative theory.

    Shortly after installing loud pipes the rider is soon suffering from partial or total hearing loss and is unable to hear their bike idling. Naturally, they think it may have stalled. They blip the throttle just to make sure it is still running. :evil

    That, or they are just trying to compensate for some other anatomical deficiency.

    :lol3
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  3. bwalsh

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    So whats the matter with using a horn? Stocker not loud enough? A Stebel horn is one hell of a lot cheaper(and dame near as loud) than chrome straight pipes...and it isn't BLARING all the way down the road, just when you need it. :deal
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  4. Bloodweiser

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  5. Twoupfront

    Twoupfront Been here awhile

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    My take on loud pipes is that they're often so loud that they reverberate extremely much in settings where it's the most counterproductive: The city. Combine this with other people (besides me) not being to tell where it's from either, or the distance, and you have a lot of cagers trying to find out where it's coming from and how far away it is.

    Oh, yeah, and higher frequency sound is directional, where low frequency sound is omnidirectional. That's why it matters that the tweeter in your speaker points towards your ears, whereas the low frequency signals can come from a subwoofer placed in the corner of your living room.

    It's not something that is new or weird, it's pretty basic science about audio wave propagation.

    You don't need to be an elephant to be able to hear this either: Get a speaker with a tweeter so you know for a fact that the higher frequencies comes out, poke your head close to it, at the right height. Then begin move your head down, up, or to the sides, away from the tweeter. You will notice, that as you move away (to the sides, up, or down) that the audio will become much more bass-heavy, as if it's cutting away the treble. The reason for this is that you actually are cutting away the treble by moving out of reach of the "beam".
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  6. stucknarut

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    This is America. There's a simple, time-honored solution. LMPs pose an imminent threat to the comfort of old ladies, small dogs, and others with poor bladder control. Invade Daytona and Sturgis, shoot anyone with loud pipes and destroy their bikes, and then win hearts and minds by giving the survivors new bikes with nice quiet pipes. The scourge of incontinence must end!
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  7. Twoupfront

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    Aaaand we're back to "look at me! I'm so cool with my loud exhausts!!"
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  8. stucknarut

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    Nope, we never left "let's say ridiculous things because it's fun! Trolololol" Although there was talk of day trips to "look at me! I'm complaining about something on the internet but am far too passive-aggressive to approach someone in the real world!"
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  9. Griffin44

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    I walked into a Tim Horton's coffee shop last weekend that was full of pirates. The guy behind the counter was trying to get the next guy in line to come up to order but the guy couldn't hear him. The server ended up waving his arms and yelling to get the guy's attention from 5m away.

    I cracked to the pirate beside me that "loud pipes may sive lives but they don't help getting coffee". His response - "my ears ring for at least an hour after I get off the bike and I can't hear well at all" - surprised me quite a bit. This is common for these wankers?
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  10. Andyvh1959

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    HUH!?

    SPEAK UP!!!

    I always thought the same thing. I ride a quiet bike, with a FF helmet, behind a windshield, and my ears ring after a ride. Well, my ears ring all the time. But how can these guys really stand it? Baffles me.
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  11. Twoupfront

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    Yes, people who doesn't understand audio propagation and claim that loud pipes saves lives is indeed ridiculous.

    Speaking of passive-aggressiveness, isn't your two post exactly that? Perhaps you intend to lead by example?

    Seriously, I'm every bit as open in the offline world as I am on here, so your conjecture is just that: Conjecture. Perhaps you're projecting yourself?

    I guess that is all the loud-pipes brigade has left: Wilful ignorance of reality.
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  12. waveydavey

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    Yes, (you can learn all you need to know about motorcycling if you hang out in Tim Horton's and post in ADVrider.) Carry on.
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  13. waveydavey

    waveydavey happy times!!

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    I have a new hero.....:raabia what logic
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  14. Twoupfront

    Twoupfront Been here awhile

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    Show me what it is you don't understand :evil
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  16. stucknarut

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    Dude, I think the logical flaw would be, I didn't claim or conjecture anything. I implied, tongue-in-cheek, that this thread was taking itself way too seriously, given its chances of changing anyone's mind or behavior. And I suggested that maybe some of the posters weren't as serious as they pretended to be. Loud vs quiet pipes is a religious argument, like toilet paper in or out (out!), or whether to lay it down or ride it out (out!), or Tim Horton's vs Dunkin Donuts (go Tim go!). It's fun to shout about, but nobody wins or changes religion as a result.
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  17. Twoupfront

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    So, in other words, your passive-aggresiveness and conjecture was all tongue-in-cheek. Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that you implied that people here wouldn't say the things we have in the real world. And that is conjecture.

    As for chaning people's religion. Well, when facts fly in the face of someone religion, they usually ignore reality until it can no longer be ignored. Some will actually chose reality. Religious faith is per definition "belief unsupported by facts". In other words, without reason. And the loud pipe brigade continues to spout nonsense about them "saving lifes", with no facts to support their beliefs. It was funny to read that brigade talk about sound not knowing the first thing about them. Some of them may have been taking the mickey, but just like with religious fundies, it's impossible to differentiate between the actual fundy and a poe, since no matter how retarded you make your parody, there will be some fundy who actually beliefs those things.

    Another a nd my penultimate point is that if idiocy and ignorance aren't countered, there will always be a few tossers who actually believes the nonsense.

    Do I take this thread seriously? Well, only to the extent that ignorance should be countered, and that loud pipes is confusing in areas with high buildings and thus making it more difficult for other road users to navigate, you could say that I do.
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  18. waveydavey

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    Atta boy, keep fighting the good fight. You have the power of righteousness on your side. You WILL win!! :norton
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  19. Twoupfront

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    At least I don't resign and attempt to chastise people for not believing, supporting, and following the stupidest and most ignorant among us.
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  20. stucknarut

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    Fixed. Unless you actually meant to say you don't attempt to chastise people. In which case, good for you.
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