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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by LukasM, Jun 14, 2007.
I was reading this and wondering how things turned out
he bought a ktm, bmw and a husaberg
which just proves the point that you need three eu bikes to do what one decent dr650 can do
Quite right Joe! I've since bought and built a couple of specialised bikes for each type of riding I like to do, but as a single do-it-all bike I still think the DR is hard to beat.
It's still in my garage right now, awaiting the arrival of a buyer (another ADVrider) from the US who will ride it around Europe and then Asia starting at the end of May. I'll go through it in the next couple of weeks and install some additional farkles that he sent me, will post an update once it's done.
Glad to see the DR live on, after all the work that I put in it would have been a shame to part it out!
One question regarding your build :). Since DR 650 "second edition" (post 1996) are hard to find in Europe, what do you think about XF650 as a base for modification ?
I know that DR 650 (post 1996) and XF share similar engine, and I know that XF is more street oriented. But, if we give it more off-road biased suspension front and rear, and few other mods...
Can DR 650 Acerbis fuel tank be mounted on XF frame ?
No idea on what interchanges to be honest, but I doubt (m)any of the chassis parts do.
IMO you will be much better off waiting for an SE to turn up, tons of parts and known mods for it out there.
In the mean time, I have done some research on this topic. XF 650 frame is a little beefier than DR 650 frame, but share the same basic geometry. Also, XF is available with EFI (post 2000). Well, if I find a good one for a good price, we will know for sure :).
I have a set of KTM WP's standing by...
Lukas, I've read this thread fully and really admire your opinion on matters off-road. You have a ton of experience on different bikes/brands and this build, imo, is a more of a Euro/Suzuki hybrid than a "true" DR Adventure build. A DR in your vision, so to speak.
So, your opinion...
1. Did the addition of the KTM suspension and brakes transform the bike and make it on par with current offerings from other manufacturers? (being that brakes and especially suspension are common Achilles heels)
2. What was the final wet weight?
3. How was the bike offroad compared to your other bikes? (Husaberg, KTMs you have ridden, etc) Was the geometry changed at all? Was the bikes trail or riding characteristics changed at all? Was is snappier or did it push more?
4. I get that most of the fun is wrenching on the bike, the build itself. The only thing bikewise that is almost as fun as riding is garage time with good friends. That said, would you do it again? Was it worth it to you, time/financially?
5. How many miles did you put on it? Do you feel it could truly be a do-it-all bike?
Thanks for sharing this. The DR is a very popular bike on this forum, and I'm sure you gave lots of owners a ton of good ideas.
Can you get a nice shock for it, or will the same DRZ or RMZ shock fit that people put on DRs?
The EFI thing I doubt very very much, even the 2010+ model Freewinds that I have seen in South America were carbed. Where did you see that?
Appreciate the compliments, always good to hear that people are getting something out of my posts, even if we are both just learning what not to do.
They were twin carbed, never heard about EFI on them?
Yes, my mistake. One seller claimed that his bike is EFI, and it was 2001 MY. Yesterday I went and saw bike in person, and it has twin carbs, not EFI... .
I do not know yet what rear shock will fit, since XF uses different shock than DR, but I do think that DRZ or RMZ shock should fit without trouble.
In my case, suspension linkage components (i.e. dog bones) needs to be shortened as well, to raise the bike a little.
This is XF rear shock, with fluid reservoir.
LukasM, what is your opinion on Showa 47mm forks, fitted to CR250/CR450 Hondas ?
I have one set offered to me in mint condition for less than half the money of WP's...
Obviously, I would probably have to machine new steering stem. That is not a big issue for me, but can they used instead of WP's for DR front end ? Would they behave near as good as WP's for enduro riding ?
I'm not really familiar with the Showas. I'm sure they can be made to work well on the DR, just make sure that you figure out in advance how you will get the length, stroke, valving (if they are from an MX model), offset (total including fork bottoms and triple clamps) and steering stops to work.
on TT you showed a pick of a bad ass looking rear shock with every kind of adjustment i've seen on a shock.:eek1
what happened with that? it was from wilbur like the shock you got.
I know you got rid of the DR
But did you try other rear shock options?
racetech, Cogent etc
Yeah that was a fully tricked out Wilbers shock, triple clickers, hydraulic preload, and length adjuster. I sold it to a fellow DR rider who I met on ADV a while back.
Never did try the other shocks but I hear good things about the Cogent.
You never installed it?
If you did. How much of an improvement was it?
Im thinking about getting it but ive bin trying to find people who installed and ran with it to see if its worth the investment
I know this is some kind of sick and twisted thread revival, But Lukas, I found the same front end you installed... WP forks and triples from a 02 ktm 520 exc, I just ordered an axle. I am looking at modifying my front hub to accept the stock ktm bearings. The DR front hub takes a 15x35x10 bearing and the ktm wheels for those years take a 20X37x9 bearing. So my thought is I am having my buddy machine 1mm out of the inside of the bearing seat which will bring it from 35mm out to 37mm. Then I can just make an adapter to bolt the stock DR caliper to the KTM lower leg. I was wondering if you had to do anything fancy to the stem bearings to get them to fit. Thanks in advance.
Why not find a 20x35x9 bearing, and make some special wheel spacers.
Trust me when I say I've done the research, no one makes a 20x35x9 except a thrust bearing
What about using the stock dr650 axle and making a spacer that the axle threads into much like when people put rmz forks on a 650
It's funny you mention that because last night I was out in the garage looking at the 2 axles I already have, the stock DR axle, and a 20mm axle that came with the new legs.... but doesn't fit the right leg... and I noticed that have the same nut size 16x1.0 and it almost looks like I could cut out a section of the 20mm shaft, and thread the inside to accept my DR shaft, then I would just need about a 1-2 mm sleeve for the right side to clamp tight around the axle head, and then I don't need to modify the hub.