Lure a Flugistanian into your web!!

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by steve68steve, Feb 16, 2014.

  1. steve68steve

    steve68steve Long timer

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    I've lived my whole life in Pennsylvania. We are ready for a change - both wife and I want to move someplace 'better.' The 'perfect' place doesn't exist:

    1. Good weather - low humidity, warm winters, cool summers, lots of sunny days, low to zero snow.
    2. good cost of living - affordable real estate, low taxes, cheap utilities,
    3. good government - 'libertarian' - legal guns, few regulations, friendly, service-oriented police and gov't employees
    4. Jobs - we tend to stay put at jobs we like, but I'd need to find one.
    5. Good economy - low unemployment, low foreclosure rate, which leads to:
    6. Low crime - don't need security cameras, fences, etc. Can leave doors unlocked with no fear. No Detroit-like abandoned infrastructure, shuttered houses, etc.
    7. Pretty - access to parks, woods, camping, canoeing, biking, etc.
    8. Low(er) population density - the few scraps of land in the Northeast that are not privately owned are heavily used, regulated, patrolled, etc.
    9. Low culture shock - no hablo Espanol. Tambien no se hippy, Mormon, or cowboy.

    PA sucks at a lot of this, and maybe I'm over-romanticizing, but I feel like almost every Mountain and Western state nails everything... with their peculiarities. NV has crime, CA is expensive and overly-governed, UT might seem Mars if you're not LDS, AZ is too hot, CO is too congested/ expensive (where the jobs are), OR and WA are too rainy, MT and ID are too cold/ snowy....

    On paper good compromises look like: St. George, UT and Reno, NV - with St. George losing a bit on cost and jobs, and Reno losing a bit on crime and economy.

    School me, warn me, or alleviate my fear!!! Help us start a new life! Where should we move?
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  2. youngan

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    St. George is just downwind of the old nuclear weapons test site. During the years that testing was going on (1950s to 1980s) it had significantly elevated cancers rates. Not sure if that's still the case.

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  3. toddler

    toddler Unpronouncible

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    northern new mexico such as Santa Fe is a pretty good match for your criteria.
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  4. mountain eagle

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    Both of these makes me think your fine just where your are. The people in the "lower density" places are likely already tired of transplants who don't want to blend into the local culture but would rather homogenize. Just as likely you can find someplace perfect that has already been swamped with new growth in the 15 years where the local culture has been pushed out.......... might be too many people there for you though.
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  5. zgfiredude

    zgfiredude RMAR

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    I like your list, and am feeling the same need to relocate............soon.

    For your consideration, Flagstaff, AZ, Prescott, AZ, Durango, CO, Grand Junction/Fruita, CO.

    Happy hunting.
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  6. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    Just like Mountain said, your probably already there!
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  7. youngan

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    Yeah, if you're intolerant of other languages, Mormons, hippies, cowboys, snow, and large numbers of people, you've pretty much eliminated all of the west.

    Perhaps most of the world.

    Myself, I'm a Spanish-speaking hippie who loves snow, and gets along with most cowboys and most Mormons. I don't like huge crowds, but I live on the Colorado front range anyway, due to other positive (for me) factors. You probably don't want to be where I am.

    Andy
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  8. Osprey!

    Osprey! a.k.a. Opie

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    Try City-Data for your research needs.
    http://www.city-data.com/forum/#u-s-forums


    p.s. I'm an Indian American (dot not feather) who speaks no Spanish but wishes he did and will probably take an immersion course in the near future. Cultural diversity rocks! :clap
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  9. MountainsandRivers

    MountainsandRivers loves dirty things!

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    Yeah, you are going to need to open your mind a bit or stay where you are. Western slope of Colorado isn't crowded (yet!). Tourist areas are more spend. I have survived just fine with my spanglish, but depends on your job. If you sweep all states with broad generalizations, then you should stay in crowded, polluted, narrow minded PA. I know that is not the case, but hopefully you get my drift.
    What I like out west is a lot of the fun, quirky small towns. People seem happier in general because they CHOOSE to live there, rather than have to. You may call it hippy, but a lot of them are just happy people of a similar mindset.
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  10. FatChance

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    I wouldn't want to live someplace where there were many people just like me...

    Move to a place you might fit in and be welcomed, not just a place that fits your unrealistic standards.

    Have you ever spent much time in the West?

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
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  11. WVhillbilly

    WVhillbilly Long timer

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    :dunno

    I was in Utah for about 7 months, I liked it.
    But I'd be farther south than Provo if you are trying to flee cold winters.

    But being close to Sundance, Alta, Snowbird and Park City ain't bad either.
    Lots of public use lands, cheap.

    Active folks, beautiful place and they make some damn good beer there.
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  12. DADODIRT

    DADODIRT Long timer

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    I left PA 20 some years ago.
    I could see it being culture shock for some of my Berks County friends.
    Another great aspect to living here is the proximity to the native cultures. Please don't confuse them with the Spanish population. Both have history here that proceeds you or I.

    Funny how different I think of St. George and Reno. Maybe just the states. I love visiting Utah, but to live there? I'm close enough here.
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    Neither would anyone else. :D

    Are you okay? Really? I was expecting a bit more spit fire or are you completely burned out on all the help me I'm coming/moving to CO threads?


    :lol3
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  14. hook0924

    hook0924 Been here awhile

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    Too many deadbeats, NO JOBS and you have to Se Hippy and vote Democrat. All the land is locked up by federal and the FS or indian land and land grants (Pockets of Poverty). Crime, Heroin, Bad Schools, NO JOBS and a living wage in SF that has killed 70% of the retail. Real estate is 150% of national average and NO JOBS. Oh yea, bring your own grocery bags to Trader Joes. And don't forget, NO JOBS, but with Obama care you will be freed to be an Artist. :lol3
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  15. FatChance

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    I am saving my strength for the usual springtime onslaught of "I am coming to Colorado and want to know where the best trails are that only the locals know about" and "can I ride my GS over Black Bear Pass?" threads. :lol3

    :wave
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    Foot dragger singletracker

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    Your considering moving back to the 1950's I assume?

    Not sure how the latest time travel machine is coming along.

    (dont even consider nor-cal,nothing to be seen here,keep moving)
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  17. steve68steve

    steve68steve Long timer

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    Thanks for replies so far.

    Clarification: It looks like many are taking my "culture shock" thing differently than intended. Sorry if I offended anyone.

    I am friend to anyone who is not an idiot, but - and don't THINK this makes me a racist - I would think twice about moving to a place where a lot of business was conducted in a language I didn't speak. I would think twice about moving someplace where my lifestyle would be seen as offensive to the locals. I don't want someone picking a fight with me because I have a different accent (this happened to me in a southern state), or because I'm not wearing cowboy boots. I saw a youtube video once where some hippy accosted a guy driving a diesel pickup truck, screaming about how he was selfishly ruining the environment. I have a PA accent, I don't wear cowboy gear, I have a big diesel camper hauler, I don't go to church. I wouldn't want to live somewhere where I wouldn't be welcome/ accepted.

    ... and, being honest, that's how some of you make it sound. "We don't tolerate intolerance."

    I feel like I've always been a "Westerner" at heart: self-sufficient, outdoorsy, adventurous, neighborly, respecting other's rights... I'd like to land out there somewhere surrounded by like-minded people, not in someplace we'd be seen as 'the outsiders.' If you're an avid nudist and want to move to PA, I'd steer you away from places with a lot of traditional, religious, Amish populations!. Hopefully that makes sense.

    Thanks again, keep the info coming!
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  18. Osprey!

    Osprey! a.k.a. Opie

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    Ah manj...

    idiots are some of my best friends and make for such fun. Have you been to an ADV event? :lol3
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  19. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    PA is much less crowded than many places out west. At least as many gun owners per capita:clap And much more fragile.
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    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    Yes I have. couldn't believe how many idiots were willing to ride with me,:lol3 and offered to buy a beer at the end of the day:freaky
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