Made a BIG MISTAKE today

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by craigincali, May 19, 2012.

  1. craigincali

    craigincali Just hanging around

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    I went to the local Victory / Honda / Suzuki / Yamaha / Ducati / Triumph / Kawasaki / KTM dealer today. I had my mind 90% set on getting a KTM 990. I thought I might as well go to a dealership where I can literally compare all the bikes I am interested in side by side (except for the BMW GSA)

    I compared the Multi / Super Tenre, 990, Triumph 800XC and 1200, V-Storm and that ugly Kawasaki bike. Well the Kawi is just too ugly and girly for me (no offense to the guys who have them it jst not for me) so I kicked that to the curb right away. The big Triumph seems WAY bigger than the Yamaha and the price was the most exspensive.

    The 800 impressed me, it felt nimble.
    The 990 felt perfect but I question its quality .
    The Yamaha seemed to be built like a tank. It felt very wide and the front of the bike seemed really far away It felt ALOT like a GSA.
    The Ducati is too fancy for me. Too many electronics and too much plastic and maintenance for me.

    Mind you, I did not ride any of these bikes (they wont let you ride anything there) but now I am even more confused than before.

    I have owned 2 KTMs in the past and I never had a single problem with any of them. But lets face it the 990 has a reputation. I have owned a few Yamahas with great results but I have never owned a Triumph. I question their dealer support. I would never take a bike to be repaired at this "Mega Mall" and I have no idea where another Triumph dealer is even located near me. So needless to say I am alittle concerned about Triumph. As for the Yamaha I was impressed with it. It seems to be very well thought out minus the oil filter placement. the 26000 miles valve adjustment is nice too!

    The BMW is now definately off the table ! Now I am 90% sure I dont know which bike to buy again !!!
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  2. MurphCO

    MurphCO Been here awhile

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    The oil filter placement is a real head scratcher




    I'd suggest you ride the Tenere and the Explorer before you decide



    My 2 cents, the Explorer is more of a street bike dressed up like an ADV bike, and the Tenere is much better suited for dirt in the low gears, and great in the top gears on the pavement.




    I own the Tenere, and rented an Explorer
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  3. GrahamD

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    Have to Agree with Murph. The S10 is really a giant dirt bike, while the explorer is a jacked up street bike.

    Neither comment is meant to be derogatory. Most people do want a Jacked up street bike and ASSUME based on on previous experience with street bikes that you wouldn't want to take a big one off road.

    YAMAHA made the decision to bias the S10 more for off road use. That is all. It is intimidating to people until you take it off road and then you get a bit of a surprise just what it will do there.

    The trade off is that, on ride it may seem less focused, well because it isn't as focused as the Triumph.

    The KTM on the other hand is a feral pig off road. Great if you know what you are doing.
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  4. mminob

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    Man ,at Cycleworld.com , in the Ride There bonus video comparison test...of the BMW , KTM , Yamaha big adventure bikes...Ryan Dudek and company put on a show with there incredable skills just thrashing those 600 lbs. beasts... :eek1 good lord...bags and all...just remember...it's the rider , not the bike , that can do things like this in this cool video...check it out and good luck with your new ride...I have enjoyed 24,000 miles on my 2009 Kawasaki 650 Versys , yeah , odd looking , but the bang for your buck and super fun do all in one bike to thrash on with low maintenence is not bad...450 lbs. , but the short wheelbase and torquey powerband make it handle great...for around 7000 dollars...new or 5000 used...:evil
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  5. Adam R

    Adam R Been here awhile

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    Ah, just buy the one that you thinks looks coolest.

    In all honesty, the differences will fade to grey once you own the one you pick, you'll probably love it, listen to your heart - buy pick up trucks with your head, bikes with your heart.

    That's my opinion anyway :evil
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  6. Ronin1

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    I have a Tiger 800 roadie and yesterday went looking at other "bigger" machines to see if I had buyer’s remorse. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    Sat on the Explorer, just rolled it around, for me (5'7") big, very heavy. Feels like it carries its weight much higher than the 800. Also pricey.<o:p></o:p>
    Sat on the Ducati 1200, nice feel, probably a nice road ride, very pricey. <o:p></o:p>
    Went and looked at the Yamaha, not much taller than my 800 and while it might be heavier it doesn't feel heavier. I like it.<o:p></o:p>
    While I still don’t have buyer’s remorse (I LOVE the feel and sound of a triple) I now know there may be a tener in my future. <o:p></o:p>
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  7. DC Chad

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    the KTM is an amazing beast a Hoot to ride on and off road , build quality was superb on my 07 bike the only issue i had was a corroded electrical plug , on our salt encrusted roads its little wonder:rolleyes the rest of the bike held up great:1drink, but if you have a heavy right wrist then your going to pay for the fun.:evil:evil:evil

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  8. bluesman

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    Simple answer really: which one you like? Really like? Forget practical side. Use "like" button. If you can't say which one you like most - don't change bike yet :) give it some time :)
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  9. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    I'd like the off road performance of the KTM, the peace of mind for reliability
    of the Yamaha, charactor of the Ducati, shaft drive, light, affordable, huge
    travel range, a grin factor when I ride it, be able to do surprise me with
    what it can do......

    That bike does not exist. But there sure are a lot of great choices awful
    close to it.:D If you bought any of the bikes you are considering and didn't
    like it, sell it. No divorce attorney involved.

    Not to suggest "Buy what I bought" I did go with a Tenere. Overall I really
    have been pleased with it and only when I'm in some fairly heavy off road
    have I thought about the KTM.
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  10. bluesman

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    Uh-oh! "Like" button does not apply to all listed reasons (affordable, reliable, shaft drive etc. etc.)
    ! "Like" apply only to grin factor! :D
    Motorcyclists are masochistic bunch anyway - instead of travelling in comfort of car we convince ourselves that "I feel very comfy on the bike". :lol3 This means that if you pressed "like" button (like my friend did with KTM SM) then you do ride 1700 km in 17 hours on it because you had to get back home from long distance ride and keep saying "oh, the saddle is bad but otherwise it was OK":wink:
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  11. villageidiot

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    I have an old gs airhead, but due to "reliability issues" and time spent in shop, I went and got a used 650 vstrom to ride without issue (same specs as airhead in regard to power) and now the ol' gs is gunna leave the stable.

    I really wish I was in your predicament in deciding which one of the top tier of bike to buy, but I just can't afford the upper class bike, and am blessed with being able to have a bike/still be able to ride.

    That being said, every time I see a tenere on the road I am mistified as to what it is, I've talked to some tenere owners and they have nothing bad to say about em. Even talked to one guy who had street tires on his claiming its the best street bike he's ever ridden.

    As far as the triumph goes, its a bitchin bike, I assume you went to "berts mega mall" home of the uber amped up sales guy. There is a triumph dealer in newport beach, as well as one in westside la. There are dealers out there, but not like the japanese manufacture.

    Good luck
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  12. CafeRacer99

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    I agree with this. Of course you narrow the list down to the ones that fit your needs first. Then you let your gut decide.

    Or if you are more practical, you go with the best deal you can get. It came down to the Explorer, GS and Tenere for me. I got a great deal on a Tenere, so I bought it. I believe I would have been happy with any of the three.
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  13. creggur

    creggur There are no curves here.

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    Most are going to chime in with exultation about the bike they currently own. I'll try and avoid that, but at the same time I've got to tell you the Tenere is a nice bike in the twisties, on the dirt, and on the slab... Best all-around bike I've ever owned. :D

    What it comes down to is what you are going to be using the bike for, and which one suits that purpose best. I was looking at the Explorer, Multi, GS, and Tenere - ended up on the Tenere after a test ride - YMMV.

    Good luck in your search! :freaky
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    :D in that case i will :D buy a 955i tiger and use what you save on beer tokens and fuel it really is a great bike:evil:1drink:D
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  15. Wantajustride

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    You have named several very good choices.

    The test ride is what sold me on my Super Tenere. The big twin made sense for so many reasons. Great commuter, good tourer, fairly good mpg (I get 45 in "sport mode" consistently). Decent off the pavement too. You need to find a way to give your top choices a spin.

    A good friend of mine told me "Every Bike has a Compromise" and not one will "Do Everything Well". A guy needs to have 3 different machines to fit different styles of riding.

    Now I'm looking at a 990 SMT ABS. Buy I worry about operating cost and reliability. But from reading the spec sheet and looking at youtube videos, it sure looks like one "Bad Ass" bike. I'm afraid to test ride it because it will likely be sitting next to the Tenere in the garage. :evil

    Buy the bike that has the most appeal to "You". Then save some cash up and buy the second runner up.

    Good Luck.

    WJR
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  16. motomuppet

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    I was suffering the same 'problem'. I rode the super ten, and its a great bike, but too vanila for me. I used to own a KTM950 and loved it so the new 990 was definately on the cards, but it is very expensive out here, and I need to commute in heavy traffic in heat and 90% humidity every day, and the big KTM, well..its too big, too expensive and runs too hot (though I likely would have gone that route if the cost was in the ball park)

    So I bought the Tiger 800 XC, pick it up this coming weekend! Cheaper, smaller and a triple (my 4th Triumph!)...love the smooth triple engine...hope the rest ofthe bike lives up to expectations.

    Its a great dilema to have, good luck!
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  17. craigincali

    craigincali Just hanging around

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    I agree, I need to test ride the Tiger and the S10. I have ridden friends 950s and 990 in the past. I really like teh KTM but I already have a YZ450F for real dirt ridding so.......

    I will try to find a place to take some test rides asap. I appreciate everyones help. The problem I have is really with the wife. I have always bought bikes in the past with no intent on keeping them long. I changed bikes often, too often according to the wife. After years of this my wife is dropping the hammer. This wil be a bike that I will be "stuck with" for many years. I think that is the reason I am boing so cautious.

    Anyone in Cali know of a Triumph or Yamaha dealer who allows test rides without having to give blood ?

    Yeah, BertsMega Mall is a great place to check everything out in one day and then go buy somewhere else...
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    i do beleive triumph of newport beach is pretty mellow on what they require for test rides. also, sometimes you can find "open house" days at the dealerships where they offer test rides.
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  19. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

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    Well, how about making the choice a little wider? If you're looking at a litre-plus shaft-drive twin-cylinder ADV bike, there is a fourth alternative: Guzzi Stelvio.
    And no, I don't own one, and probably won't - while I'm a die-hard Guzzi fan, I'm very content with what I've got - and it's not a BMW, KTM, Yamaha or Triumph either!
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  20. ANutt

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    I was given the same sort of ultimatum. So I bought the Tenere. Still lust after a 990 Adventure, but the reality is that if I have to keep it for a while and live with it long-term, the Yamaha is a much better choice. It's very good at many things, and like many have said, surprisingly good on dirt. I don't feel like I'm giving up anything on the street, like I would with the KTM. The Tenere is surprisingly deceptive though; it's very low-key when you first ride it, sort of underwhelming. The capabilities start to show after putting some miles on it and loosening things up a bit. As many have said, it gets better with use. If I had test-ridden one before I bought it, (I did not) I would not have been overly impressed.
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