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Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by pjheckel, Mar 13, 2008.
What are your thoughts on which is a better scoot? And more importantly what MPG do you get!!!
Go do a search on burgmanusa.com and you'll find tons of posts comparing those two bikes. I own the 650, and have ridden the 400, but never rode the Majesty, so I can't compare them.
That depends on if you're talking about the pre-07 burgman or 07 and later burgmans. The Majesty beats the old Burgman but the new Burgman beats the Majesty.
Pre-07 Burgmans-very maintenance intensive (valve adjustments every 2500 miles), less power than Majesty, smaller trunk (I think).
)7 & 08 Burgmans-dual front brakes, better gas mileage (~10mpg better than Majesty), comparable engine power (upgraded to 400cc instead of old version's 385cc), largest trunk available in a scooter in the US
Good info for you above. I am slow to the uptake sometimes because of other website responsibilities (including BUSA).
The pre-08 "improved-remodeled" Burgman400 gave quite a few people fits with a belt squeel issue (seems to be almost exclusivley 2007 models). Also this squeel issue seemed to exclusivley happen on US-spec models. I did not discern any europeans voicing their concerns about their '07-issue 400s.
The Majesty is tried and true which, in my book, counts a bunch - the "new and improved" Burgman had that initial production "issue" but it seems as though that "problem" has now been mitigated.
My only advice is this - be very inquizitive about the "belt-squeel thing" if you are looking at pulling the trigger on a 2007 Burgman 400.
I really like the stats on the late model Suzukis versus the Yamahas. The longer wheelbase, the twin front disk brakes (now not linked-vs the linked single front disk pre-07), along with the more appropiate service intervals, and the lower seat height etc.
There is a website for the venerable Majesty - it is www.majestyusa.com. There is about a thousand registered users and over 20 thousand posts.
The headlamps on the little burger are now single lamp for low beam and both lamps for high beam (vs the pre-07).
Oh - fwiw - I don't like the looks of the pogo-stick rear shocks on the Yammi (vs mono-shock on the burg) either. (minutiae - I know)
I have always liked Yamahas, and, like a whole lot of ppl said - if you feel better on the maj and the dealer is better/closer - well - that counts for a LOT.
My .02c & hth.
The belt squeek sounds like an anoying problem. Does anybody know what they changed for 08 to fix the problem?
What a slacker . . too lazy to even research a linked forum!
Burgman 400 (2007+model)
Me? I'd go with the Burgman, but I'd Locktite the important fasteners right away as some owners have lost important things.....
like front wheels.....
Also, the 2007 had transmission issues related to the power bump over the prior year. Suzi fitted a new tranny for 2008.
Below will link to a maxi scooter site with some good info.
Cool website. I found a yellow reflex on CL with ABS and I may just go with that. probably get better MPG anyway. its $3000 with 4400 miles and mint condition, 2003
'07+ Burgman 400
Then there's the Honda Silverwing 400-
which . . . like its bigger brother the 600 . . . mounts a twin-cylinder engine rigidly motorcycle-style:
(note- I did ride a Majesty YP400 for 2 years, but would likely choose a different contender with a maxi next time)
We don't get the silverwing 400 in the US
yup, and now we dont even get the reflex 250.
maybe honda realized that most americans dont have enough balls to ride a scooter on the freeway! for some reason they need +600cc to do 55 MPH when a 150 would do it just fine!
Society is still too hung up on the "bigger is better" ideology. Remember when a 700cc bike was a big bike? And people touring on 350's? Now you need a 2000+cc bike just to go bar hopping!
Hopefully rising gas prices will change peoples' mentality about horsepower and needs v. wants.
Meh - whatever. I sold my Burgman 650 and now ride a Honda Helix 250 in addition to my DL1000. I say choice is the spice of life. I would not want to traverse county 4 lane highways with anything smaller - let alone the Interstate... Now the thing is is that many ppl buy these big ass scooters because they can tour comfortably for thousands of miles while gobbling up the interstate at 75mph or more - easily.
A 150 or 250 is simply not capable of that. I love my little 250 Helix, but it sure as heck doesn't offer me the magin of performance safety that the larger scoots do - especially when I have to take it on the interstate for a few miles...
Oh an yeah - I know all about Otto's Iron Butt Odyssey...
Take a look at the KYMCO 250's and 500. I got the 500 and prefer it to any other. 5500 trouble free miles. They started out making parts and engines for Honda in 63. Located in Tiawan. They have a distrubution center in the USA in ASouth Carolina. Google Kymco World for more info!
I have a Kymco xciting 250. I like it. Since it's built on a platform engineered for the 500 it's over-braked/suspended. Fit and finish are on par with Japanese scoots. The CVT drive is known for its silky operation and low maintenance. VERY comfortable and stable on the highway. The frontal area provides excellent weather protection and makes for greater conspicuity on the road. 15" front and 14" rear tires a +. Givi has a big, solid tail rack for it.
-Not much underseat storage. It'll take a half shell and some kit,
but the Burgman will swallow up two full shells with room left over.
-The 250 is nimble and smooth, but you're pushing redline on the
freeway. OK for short runs, but you wouldn't want to stay there
all day. The 500 will cruise the interstate all day long, but it's
heavier and the HUGE final drive unit might limit lean angles. I've
yet to ride one but it gets great reviews.
So, is it possible for an american to nip over to Canada, and ride home on a Reflex?
NSS250A (msrp $7549 Canadian)
I just test rode the reflex and silverwing at the dealer today. The reflex was crap. didn't handle that great, was a little unstable at higher speed and the 0-40 accelleration was slower than my Yamaha Riva 125. The Silverwing was a rocketship, 600cc two cylinder. it handled better too, even though it weighs in at 540 lbs. But I didnt like the fact that it had a vibration when accelerating that gave you a insatiable itch! the kind I used to get from my TS 185 2 stroke. I'm not paying 8 grand for that experience again. So I have yet to test ride a Burgman, which I hope will be a happy median.