Making f800gs as offroad oriented as the 990

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by Joseph42s, Oct 25, 2013.

  1. Joseph42s

    Joseph42s Adventurer

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    What does it take to make f800gs as good offroad as a 990. I believe it is lighter, could it be made into a better offroad bike? Ohlins?

    If you were to build an off road F800gs would you go with the Adventure version or start with the base one?
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  2. Bill-66

    Bill-66 Hencho in Kansas

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    Most say it's ass heavy to begin with..so adding weight on the rear won't help...

    Other than that, remove 40-50 lbs, add 25 horsepower and fix the suspension, you should have it..

    Be interesting what other think...


    They're two very different bikes..
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  3. DoWorkSon

    DoWorkSon Been here awhile

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    new wheels, new suspension, more power... KTM- More dirt oriented but capable on street... BMW- more street oriented but capable on road.
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  4. Joseph42s

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    I rode the adv800 yesterday. It was great. Seemed a little underpowered, but was fun to ride. Did not ride it offroad. Would try the Ktm, but doubt the dealer would let me ride it.

    Got me thinking, I like the Bmw, maybe I could pick it up and slowly build it out.

    Ktm Adventure 461.9 without fuel
    Bmw gs adventure 505lbs with fuel.

    Anyone have accurate weights on these bikes?

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    runnin4melife Been here awhile

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    I have ridden both, prefer my 800 over the KTM....
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  6. Deuce

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    Trade in your 800 for a 990. :1drink
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  7. space

    space a.k.a. Jake

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    You should ask this in the LC8 forum. They'll have lots of constructive suggestions!




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  8. ebrabaek

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    Ha ha... good one Jake......:lol3:freaky:freaky
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    I would choose a base model, not adventure for this reason:
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=928281
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  12. Loutre

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    Seems a good list! oh and sure thing you'll need to loose that beak :lol3. But yes take a basic model and not the GSA. If you need fuel you can still ad Oso's tank :eek:)
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  13. Pangit

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    Or just buy a KTM in the first place.
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  14. murph76

    murph76 Been here awhile

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    but their so fugly........
    shitty gas mileage for a little more power
    and can u find a dealer...doubtful ....same if not more mech. problems as the 800gs
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  15. Bill-66

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  16. Joseph42s

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    Would you start with the "adventure model" or go with the regular f800gs?




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  18. GPHusky250

    GPHusky250 Been here awhile

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    This thread again...whew, ok...back in the early 70s Malcolm Smith and others took heavy and underpowered bikes, with 6 inches of crappy suspension up front and 4 inches of crappy Girling suspension on the rear, went incredibly fast with two gallons of gas strapped to their back at breakneck speeds that few on this forum could do with any adventure bike with any amount of suspension. Magical suspension isn't always necessary to either go fast or enjoy what you're doing.

    So we always get this F800 vs KTM 990 argument...almost like what gun would be better to blow your head off with, a 9mm Glock, a 9mm SIG, or a 9mm Baretta. Well folks, maybe we could get three guys to simultaneously blow their head off, get out a tape measure and see whose gray matter splattered the furthest. Maybe that would determine the best gun, but since all three guys are dead, I'd say that either of the the three guns gets the job done, much like the F800 or the 990 will get the job done.

    And so it is with these adventure bikes...they are all heavy, they all have less than stellar suspension and they all have short comings but they'll get the job done, that is unless you intend to take your 500lb adventure bike and do triples in Utah somewhere, or you decided to ride it down a cliff like they do with bicycles in Red Bull events. They might fall a little short there.

    If you really want some great suspension and want to ride offroad, then buy a KTM 350EXC-F or 500 EXC. Way more capable than the 990 or the f800, but you don't get all the amenities that either of the adventure bikes offer.

    For most of the mere mortals that ride adventure bikes, the F800, the 990 or the Tiger Explorer are going to get you where ever you want to go and get within 5% to 10% of being perfect for what most people are going to do.

    For those who want to go the extra mile, hell, spend another 5-6 thousand dollars and get as close to 100% as you want...but in the end, most will never be able to really use the upgraded "whatever" because you'll never get going that fast. What you will have is bragging rights because my bike has something your bike doesn't and thus I must be a better rider, yada, yada, yada.

    Buy the bike that floats your boat, get out and actually ride the bike and you really think you need to upgrade...do so.

    Some people I know can't seem to enjoy themselves unless they've have something no one else has on their bike and some people have the need to tear down one guys choice to make them feel more secure about theirs.

    Like in school when you were taking a test...keep your eyes on your own paper and quite looking at the kids work next to you. :)
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  19. jengel451

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    Just an FYI, even KTM's have suspension issues when pushed too far. As stated, both are REALLY heavy bikes, and the both have their limits, and characteristics.

    Nobody can tell you what you'll end up liking, you just have to make YOU happy.

    KTM 990 ridden by a big guy, just a wee bit too aggressively for too long.

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  20. Mohawk Unit

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    the other weekend I went out and rode trails with a local GNCC enduro racer. We swapped bikes at one point, I got on his FE570 (whoa.), he got on the 800. His riding was just as mindblowing as it was on his own bike, and I still couldn't come close to keeping up with him. I proceeded to follow him through a bunch of crazy shit, mostly just incredibly steep climbs, and single track speeds that I never thought that the 800 was capable of.

    It's not like little technical superiorities or deficiencies don't add up, and I'm kind of dodging the debate a little, but never have I been more astounded about how rider ability can eclipse technical specifications. Granted I've only been riding offroad for a little more than a year now so I'm a relative amateur, but this summer I was on the trails nearly every weekend, so I do feel like I push this bike to a respectable degree. Food for thought.
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