These are nice too. Another thing to remember about these tents is that when they say 20 inches long that is usally a reference about folded pole length. Think about it you could strap the poles literally anyplace on the bike and have an actual tent as big as a medium towel to pack away. These things are so much more versatile than a hammock or bivi sac jf you are moto camping. And in varying climates they really come into their own with the excellent ventilation. Also if the tent needs repairs which all tents that really get used do you have a place to get it fixed. Excellent warranty policy also. As you can see by the companies history timeline Tarptent was the original.