Me too!

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by ultrasheen, Nov 14, 2016.

  1. ultrasheen

    ultrasheen Been here awhile

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    I was 80% finished with a down-hill switchback when I looked over the edge to my forward and to my right and said, "Wow, don't want to go there!" And I promptly went there.

    I wanted to slow down, so I hit the brakes. That stood my bike up, and I couldn't get it to turn. So off the edge I went. The bike went down about 10 feet and hit a tree, and I went down on my stomach next to it until I skidded to a stop.

    The only damage was my glove palm was gone on my left hand. Not a scratch on me, really. I was sore on Sunday, but *knock on wood* all good to go. I'm extremely fortunate.

    The left side of my S100XR is completely thrashed. Everything just scoured away. I bought it in August from the dealer. Fortunately, we weren't far from on of the other rider's house, so he got his truck and trailer and we took the BMW to the dealership directly. It runs, and the instrument cluster lights up and works, but we'll see what they say.

    I remember consciously screaming inside my head "Why won't you turn?!?!! Why won't you turn!?!!!?".

    The things I did wrong:
    1) Target fixation
    2) Not looking completely through the curve (see #1)
    3) Hitting the front brakes (on the bike, they're grabby compared to my 650)

    Things I did right:
    1) Wasn't speeding
    2) ATGATT saved my skin, literally
    3) My fat belly paid off!

    From this forum, I have read there are two kinds of bikers, those who have crashed and those who will. Well, it was my turn.

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  2. ultrasheen

    ultrasheen Been here awhile

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    The big problem with this is my confidence and my pride. I am so embarrassed. Done in by such a simple thing. I feel so, well, just ashamed.

    So why am I sharing this?

    Perhaps this mea culpa will remind me of this moment, and motivate me. Maintain focus and continue (!?) to develop good habits.
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  3. bodine003

    bodine003 Been here awhile

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    Man glad your ok those are some big non-moving trees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  4. Mofo Flake

    Mofo Flake Incompetent off-road

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    If you notice my picture, it happens to a lot of bad riders. If you don't get better, you'll have another opportunity to analyse your mistake.

    *meant to be joking, not hurtful. :thumb
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  5. Sitheach86

    Sitheach86 Long timer

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    It's happened to me before. Beautiful switchback roads with cliffs on one side. Of course it draws your eyes and you think "sucks if you fell down there!" Next thing you know it's right where you head to! It took 2 of us probably 30 min to bring my bike up the edge haha.

    Glad you're ok, but sight seeing on a motorcycle is dangerous. Can't let your mind wander too far either.

    Did you call the insurance company to fix the bike or doing it out of pocket?
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  6. ultrasheen

    ultrasheen Been here awhile

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    I took it to the dealership to get an estimate. If it's more than $1000 or so, I'll get the insurance involved. I really expect that to be the case. If not, of course my preference is to keep them out of it.
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  7. Ohthetrees

    Ohthetrees Been here awhile

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    Are you a "lean left" or a "push left to go left" person?
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  8. ultrasheen

    ultrasheen Been here awhile

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    A little of both, I think. It depends on how much time I have to think about it. If I'm prepared, I probably do the push, otherwise, it's lean and hope for the best. The push should be more natural, and I hope one day it is more instinctual.
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  9. Ohthetrees

    Ohthetrees Been here awhile

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    Sounds like you already know this, but for the record, the push makes for quicker maneuvers and greater turn rates than the lean. Of course both together is even better.
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  10. Nurse Ratched

    Nurse Ratched Been here awhile

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    "Glad you're ok, but sight seeing on a motorcycle is dangerous."

    I struggle with avoiding sightseeing. I find many things I see along the road very interesting. In my car, I have run a wheel off the pavement onto the shoulder while looking at something. If I did that on my bike, it would be big trouble.

    Glad Sitheatch86 brought this up. I have often wondered how "Alpentour" riders keep from running off the road as they are meandering through Switzerland, etc.
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  11. Mo Throttle

    Mo Throttle Adventurer

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    Your crash occur in Arkansas by chance? Mt. Magazine state park?
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  12. Sitheach86

    Sitheach86 Long timer

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    I'm a looker as well. That's why I know sightseeing while riding is dangerous. Learned this the hard way. I have two kinds of riding. Slow and sightseeing, then focused riding precision being the second.
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  13. Unca Fud

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    You experienced unintentional control reversal. When confronted with a threatening road edge situation, you consciously turned the handlebars away from the road edge. That action causes you to lean towards the road edge and sucks you in. Up to that point you subconciously knew how to make the bike go where you want, but there is a threat level that makes you consciously overthink the correct response to the situation and the result is what we in the control industry (I'm a retired engineer) call control reversal.

    YOU (always) HAVE TO TWIST THE HANDLEBARS TOWARDS ANYTHING YOU WANT TO MISS. From parking lot maneuvers to high speeds. I know it sounds backwards but that is the control that you MUST always use to control a two wheel vehicle.

    Some say to look where you want to go. And that's what many teach, but hell, I can look anywhere while making a steady turn, so I consider that so much BS. Ride a bike through a mud puddle, initiate a moderate turn, and then go look at the track of the front and rear wheel.

    There occasionally are videos posted by people losing it say towards a ditch. If you watch them critically, you will see that they never are countersteering away, and usually are just momentarily confused before losing control.

    If you had to make a M/C behave as a guided missile the robot's control algorithm would be to always turn the handlebars away from the target - to be sure you hit it!.

    Bet this generates a lot of controversy................

    Glad you didn't get seriously hurt though.
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  14. seatec

    seatec Dutch Transplant

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    Read twist of the wrist 2.

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  15. FredBGG

    FredBGG Long timer

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    Do you hanging off the side of the bike or were you sitting square on the saddle going into the curve?

    From the photo it looks like you were headed into a left hand turn, is that correct?
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  16. ultrasheen

    ultrasheen Been here awhile

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    Right, I was coming out of a left-hand switchback. I was almost done with it.

    I wasn't hanging off, that's for sure. Perhaps I was slightly off to the left side, but I wasn't hanging off the bike by any means.
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  17. toy4fun

    toy4fun GET out of the way

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    Once you do the brakes you will always stand the bike up....very impressive place to park your bike:lol3 You adequately dissected your accident by yourself.....don't do it again!
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  18. Airhusky

    Airhusky Been here awhile

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    I dropped my 701 (first time to drop a bike) while doing a wheelie just because I had a bad habit of using 4 fingers to modulate the clutch , now I use the index and middle finger , while the rest of the fingers holding the handle bar tight enough. Lesson learnt.

    One thing I have learnt is to combine front and rear brake according to the situation. You might not understand me but if anyone does understand me go ahead and rephrase anything I write down below..

    Instead of compressing the front suspension while using just the front brakes I use the rear brake + front brake together but both are at the same level of braking. Modulate it according to how fast you are braking.I don't rear brake first hard and then front brake anymore , I do them simultaneously. It comes naturally to me after riding many times on my 701 with a 120 kgs dude behind my bike. Scary at first but it taught me braking discipline.To maintain the bike's balance during braking , if you keep your bike's suspension happy braking becomes soo efficient and handling of the bike significantly improves(only reason I take him with me just because I wanted to learn to carry heavy pillion/luggages also it is fun to scare him). In corners u will want to change that up and brake much less with the front brake compared to the rear brake(not recommended for a beginner) just because if u brake hard with the front it will send your bike into a low side (even at 1 km/h) Takes time but I naturally did it and came to know about it by luck , all thanks to pillion riding experience.

    All of this makes the like feel like glue on the asphalt. At any corner angle.

    But yeah I'm on a 701 which is very light compared to your bike which made it way easier to learn such things. I got some mx experience too so that might have helped.
    I won't repeat all the advices written above but yeah get back to riding as soon as you can!
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  19. ultrasheen

    ultrasheen Been here awhile

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    Well, I went back on my G650GS and rode the whole loop on Crow Mountain. I had to go back and do it. I went by myself.

    Mission accomplished. I got really nervous on the one corner I slid out before, but it was fun. Cold, but fun.
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  20. bisquit

    bisquit A BOY & HIS DOG

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    Have you ever done any track days?

    I have not but I have been told by many riders that it is terrific practice & that it will make you a much safer street rider.
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