Meeting with Minister Polak/ |BC

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  1. squonker

    squonker Eat my shorts

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    Blocking someone just because in your opinion they're riding/driving like an ass is road rage. See the hypocrasy in the quote above?
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  2. Steve G.

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    I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, this is just a case of internet-forum bravado, maybe helped along with a couple glasses of wine. This kinda game you say you play is not wise, and will get you in a big pile of trouble if you ever do it to the wrong person. And sir, let me tell you,,,,,there are some snakey ass wachos out there.
    Maybe it's best you live out in the boonies. Try that kinda stuff down here in the big smoke, you'll end up getting a gang member pissed who's packin',,,,,,,,
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  3. H96669

    H96669 A proud pragmatist.

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    You guys are reading way to effing much in what I am saying, but that's the net for you and I don't even drink altough I may have had a shot of Whiskey last night.:1drink

    How about the guy I did not let pass in our local hot spring road in winter conditions? He was sort of raging behind me or certainly looking impatient getting there to "relax" in the pools.:DThere ain't no safe passing zones there in the winter. :wink:Good thing I blocked him a little, he would have hit them rocks on the road passing me there.:eek1:eek1:eek1 In case he didn't know, no shoulders there for me to even pull over a little. As it was he barely managed to avoid the rocks.Big mean looking East Indian guy, never know maybe a gang member but sure looked sheepish when we got there.....:lol3

    Never mind the boonies, I drive everywhere and hardly a scratch on anything in all that time, whatever game you guys seem to think I may be playing, whatever you think is just that.:evil

    And I did say I'll let you by, just hang on a sec until it is safe for me and the other drivers, they may not have noticed the danger coming from behind.:D

    Road rage me.....:roflI'll even pull over and find something else to do for a few minutes when I feel there are too many impatient drivers around me.Trading for a different bunch sometimes but seems to help in the lower mainland.:rofl A few days over there, glad to be back in the boonies but thinking of heading south to check some of them dangerous Mexican roads, been a while got to renew my dangerous driving practices.:rofl

    And....watch out when passing on HWY 6 and 23 effing big potholes everywhere, don't want to hit that when passing and as usual I don't think they'll fix them early. Maybe some local you may be thinking of passing will see them ahead of you and let you know somehow.That and road kill, also very slippery and thanks to a local last year who "sort of" blocked me I avoided passing there and hitting that at speed. :eek1

    BTW,we are getting tired of seeing smashed bikes this way.For some reason most of them don't seem to show up in the ICBS stats.:wink: Some of that just came up again in the local papers.:cry
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  4. oldtrout

    oldtrout Been here awhile

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    Firstly, thank you Adele and the great work you and BCCOM are doing to advance our issues to the politico's in Victoria. Much appreciated.

    These two issues are important to everyday riders, but I do not think they should be the basis of a total focus of the BCCOM.

    What gets me burned is the ICBC rip off of basic liability coverage (minimum plus....) for whatever you may ride. To pay over a grand for yearly coverage in a Canadian province with so called free medical, etc. etc. is criminal.

    I will insure the comprehensive/ theft and whatever through the private companies (we know whom) and glady pay on an open market. But to get screwed on the basic riles me beyond end.

    Who am I going to maim for life riding my bike where it equates to 1100 bucks for LIABILITY per anim in case I hit granny at the intersection ?????

    Good old Vancouver allows whang fung electric scooters to blast down the SIDEWALK and park for free, but nada parking if I decide to ride in to work on a sunny Friday. (I take transit into the core from Tssawwasen. Every day.). They were towing from the hidy-holes last summer :puke1 . Getting hit by a scooter or a KTM / GSA/ Boss Hoss will hurt just as bad.

    A reduction of our basic rates should be the primary focus of BCCOM and I hope my fellow inmates agree. Although I would love to filter.....In 100 Mile.

    Sorry if I am off topic from the original theme here, but need to vent. :freaky

    Cheers, Logan

    Ps... 24 hrs. From vacation ... Minor PUI but you get my drift. Love you guys.
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  5. Steve G.

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  6. oldtrout

    oldtrout Been here awhile

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    Howdy Steve ! I knew you would jump in :clap

    What I am saying is that in the overall $$$ that the provincial govt. shells out, why ding the biker in case of an accident on the off chance you or I hit a pedestrian vis a vis liability ?.

    I know it goes into the big ICBC pot, but why am I (or you) paying the same as Mrs. GLK Mercedes in Richmond (wink) as if I am riding the pig in Skookumchuk.

    It's all numbers for ICBC. We bikers are the "victims" so statistically wise we are a greater risk because we get the hospital bills if a crash. This equates to higher basic premiums in ICBC speak.

    Yes, if I slam into said GLK or Bentley in error it will cost the people's insurance corp. funds, but it is the personal injury liability that I thought what we are paying for. :dunno

    We as a group need to hold the Provo's feet to the fire, and get a reduction in rates.

    Shit, it works for the other vocal malcontents, why not us ??

    Hope to see you on the road this summer amigo.:wave
    Logan
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  7. yamalama

    yamalama wet coaster

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    It was a woman, dark hair and a pleasant attitude.
    Actually the fellow doing the flagging going the other direction was pleasant as well.
    No pleasant ones in the lower mainland.
    I don't blame them for being unpleasant, with the idiot lack-of-driving skills here.
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  8. bccom

    bccom Been here awhile

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    BCCOM's direction is determined by membership. In the early 90's BCCOM hired an actuarial which resulted in two consecutive rollbacks in motorcycle insurance which were the first in ICBC history.
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  9. BringSparesAlong

    BringSparesAlong Pist N Broke

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    I love the idea of transferable plates, it will force me to finish up some of the project bikes that I've got on the go.
    As far as filtering goes, I think it's a get idea and a lot safer for us if done in a sane manner. The big concern is the squids and " loud pipes save lives" bozo's blasting past stopped cages at high speed.A public education blitz would be helpful.
    Good luck with everything and here's hoping for the best.
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  10. CordR

    CordR Been here awhile

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    As others have said, thanks, Adele and BCCOM for the efforts.

    I'm a fan of both initiatives but I think the lane filtering option is going to have to come with a rather large public awareness campaign to be successful. Of course, there needs to be funds for that, and I'd be surprised if ICBC and/or the government is going to pitch in. I suppose I can ride with my pre-printed flyers and hand them to each jerk that opens their door in my path.

    Any awareness is good, but I'd hate to see it come from the news programs covering a story of a motorcyclist's injury/death because some jackass got his/her panties in a bunch.

    It is frustrating though as a motorcyclist when it's seen in use in civilized societies around the world rather successfully.


    Best of luck.


    C
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  11. woofer2609

    woofer2609 Less flow, more Gnar

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    Please correct me if I'm wrong (happens often:rofl), but I believe that ICBC is on the hook for medical bills, and is therefore somewhat separate from the healthcare system, when it comes to MVA's. This is just going from what I recall during a conversation with a receptionist at a doctor's office when I asked her why one is always asked "Is this visit related to ICBC?"
    This wouldn't explain why MC insurance is so much more than other provinces, however.
    One reason is that ICBC continues to offer a 43% "safe driver" discount to lower mainland idiot drivers who have had 2 at fault accidents in a 7 year span.
    They did have public consultations last fall and are looking at changing this. I have a feeling mc'ists are helping to pay for these drivers.

    Anyway, this is great news! I love the transferable plate idea!
    Realistically, political lobbyists have a lot of sway. Look at the Used Car Dealers, who donated over a half a million dollars to the liberals before the HST came in, and when it did...hey guess what, private sales of used cars were now taxed at 12%! (They changed the name from HST when it applies to cars, so it will probably stick around when the HST disappears
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  12. oldtrout

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    Howdy Woof...

    What I was getting at was that in the classic liability insurance sense of things, If am riding my bike and injure an individual, then I may be liable.

    That is what liability coverage is about. This would include physical damage to the other vehicle , or individual, if am at fault.

    In the greater scheme of things, the big bucks (as in the USA) would be personal injury, where $$$ come to play. IE injuring a third party.

    Where I get concerned is the linking of MC accidents with the overall payout that ICBC must pay for a given event.

    If I crash on the road and no other vehicle is involved, then this is due to my own error or circumstance alone. If I have no collision cover, so be it. Bike is written off (to me as owner).

    We have medical coverage, both provincial , and through employers (if applicable ) that pay to mend as may be required.

    So what are we paying for, other than the linking of ICBC and provincial medical services as a unit in case of bad misfortune? If this is so, as I am sure it is, then please, Ms. Government, just confirm my suspicion.

    ICBC should face the open market on basic liability coverage.

    Rant off.

    Thanks Woofy.
    OT :1drink
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  13. woofer2609

    woofer2609 Less flow, more Gnar

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    OT,
    Well, that's a good question, now that I've done some more research, I know two things: I'm no closer to any answer apart from "Because they can (charge you more), secondly, I now know less about something I knew very little about in the first place! I'll ask when I need to reinsure my bike. One thought might be that as a percentage more MC'ers surpass the $150,000 limit for Accident Benefits that might lead ICBC to cover lost income.
    I'm leaving it at that because I realize I know very little about this subject and further hypothesis will only make me look even more ignorant when proven wrong.

    Out of curiousity, how many people out there have more that 200,000 Third Party liability?
    I have 2 million on my truck, but basic on the bike.
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  14. oldtrout

    oldtrout Been here awhile

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    Hi Woofer;

    Thanks your comments. I can understand your confusion. ICBC can be a lot of smoke and mirrors.

    I always go for at least 2 - 3 million on the third party limit. It does not cost that much more after the initial screwing, so why not. I would hate to hit some kid (god forbid) and be caught short. The under insured protection (this covers you) is worth looking into as well. When you renew, go to a good agent and ask them as I may be spouting old info.

    Rest assured though, the top dogs at ICBC aren't starving. It's like the Grand Poobahs at BCLC - nice work if you can get it !!

    Grrrrrrrr
    OT

    PS: I guess I will be joining BCCOM. No use in bitching unless I put my money where my mouth is. Looks like they need more of the ADV crowd to balance out the Pirates. Ta.
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