Melbourne to Canning Stock Route and back ride

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  1. Reckless Relic

    Reckless Relic Adventurer

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    The CSR is on my radar and have started the planning for a 2014 trip.
    I have to ask what are you riding and what sort of setup are you using to carry that amount of fuel and water, a trip like this is one of those unique Australian experiences that just has to be done enjoy the journey.
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  2. GSDisciple

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  3. snowypete

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    Yep LaudJohn,

    Always interested in being flexible with the itinary. As long as the trip does not overload the various riders.

    The rock and Olgas is def. on the menu. Kings Canyon can easily be added.

    --- actually a great addition. It gives the chance of a helmet free day.

    Like with most trips, all options are considered outside the core or skeleton route.
    1. the Simo with Chambers Pillar, with the Fink, Olga & the Rock.
    2. The Canning and the Gun
    3. Part of the Connie Sue and Ann B to Coober
    4. Coober to home?

    The time, the weather, how the riders are going, how the bikes are travelling all play their part in working out how the ride unfolds.

    Basically cost. Part of the aim of an independent type ride is to keep expenses down while doing an awful lot. Personally I would expect the approx. 10,000km ride to be about $5000 (as a ball park).

    Tyres - have had great results in the past with Pirelli MT21s, but likely to use Mitas E09s (Dakars).

    As fellow inmate Ozant got it spot on....with persistence and good humour and never be fazed...will always make a great ride!! :thumb
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  4. snowypete

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    You know your alive and enjoying life when you just inhale....a meat pie (old Betsy - legend).

    I'm new to this adventure forum thing, your ride report....GS DISCIPLE.....I didn't know of but is absolutely fantastic. Great photos and lots of laughs. You fellas shared what ad. riding in outback Oz is all about.

    Simply terrific, the pleasure and pain, challenging yourself in a great an unforgiving country.

    Never come across that Carawine Gorge - a gem.

    Everthing about WA is big - a speed camera on the moon would be able to flash those WA number plates.

    Snow :D
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  5. syzygy9

    syzygy9 Been here awhile

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    Snowy, what bike are you planning this trip on? Luggage, fuel? Certainly be interested to follow your progress!
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  6. LaudJohn

    LaudJohn Been here awhile

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    I did some research on The CSR the other day.

    It will take aporox 8 days to ride, given that not all of the wells have drinkable water and you need to plan your stops accordingly.

    My issue is that you are looking at 9-10 days (from Alice or Halls Gap) in a desert without a cold beer!

    The Kunawarrritji Community in the middle is now (since 2011) a dry town.

    Wiluna at the end has a pub.

    Now the last time I went that long without a beer was in 1988 when I travelled across Iran and Pakistan by public transport. By the time I reached Lahore about 12 days after leaving Turkey I spent 2 days getting a permit to buy alcohol (surprisiongly beer is considered alcohol, whereas I consider it a life source) and overnight in the proocess I had 13 pieces of paper in my hand - but that is another story.

    I am not sure that the fuel dump is a viable option, minimum of a 44 gallon drum and it is only a couple of hundred km's after Kunawarritji, I think some fuel cans would be a better option.

    Snowypete, is there some reason you want to do the Anne Beadle as opposed to the Gunbarrell all the way to the Alice or nearby and then down to coober pedy?
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  7. Cane Cutter

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    Two of us did the AB last year and left Cober with 83 lts each on 950SE and used 70lts to Ilurka.$3 a liter for Opel crap and no water for the first 650 ks.Good hard sand ride.
    The Tanami will be a long stretch as well without Rabbit Flat?
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  8. snowypete

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    Relic,

    As we are all taught the golden rule by the teacher at AD Rider School.

    ------- less weight, less weight, less weight
    First priority - petrol, in french is called essence, in African Swahilli its called mafuta ya petroli, here in Oz its motion lotion (banana bender inmate).
    The standard 30ltr plus safari when required a full 20ltr steel gerry, flat down and tied over hard over pillion seat and rack. Nozzle cap end to back opposite muffler side (makes a good rest point for back pack when sitting) plus 10ltrs steel gerry on modified pillion peg (non pipe side). Plus for insurance another 5ltr or so in disposible plastic container(s) for at the start.

    Second priority - water - 10ltr on pipe side, modified pillpeg
    Third priority........

    The sub frame is usually the part of the bike most likely to cause problems after punctures, therefore the golden rule, and aim, to centre and lower the heavier bits.

    The weapon of choice is an '07 DR650, set up for outback marathon running.

    I'm sure you'll have a memorable trip in winter '14.

    In 18 months approx -- do you work at the local council approving planning permits? :rofl

    By winter next year 100,000,000 extra indians will have been born.

    Collingwood will be on track for back to back flags.

    And Suzuki will still not have changed the DR650 SE except will have run out of paint colours for the tank. :freaky
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  9. ckjackson1

    ckjackson1 High Country Red Neck

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    Bahahahahahahahahahaha

    :thumb:thumb:thumb
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  10. LaudJohn

    LaudJohn Been here awhile

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    One of those things is highly probable,

    the other is just plain fantasy!

    and hear was me thinking you had common sense..............
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  11. 59DEN

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    Did you come across much traffic on the ABH, how about a couple of pics of your bike setup.
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  12. 59DEN

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    Hi snowypete
    How is the planning and preparation going?
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  13. LaudJohn

    LaudJohn Been here awhile

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    Let us hope your CSR trip has a greater chance of success than the Colliwobbles in premierships.

    Collingwood have played in 43 grand finals, I can't remember how many they have won but given the most successful side is Essendon with 16 and Collingwood has less it would indicate a success rate of only 1 in 3 attempts (rounded).
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  14. snowypete

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    Hi Gnarly Laudy - J

    Its always good to have a bit of footy fun and bulls--t with a beer.

    Gnarly your post a couple of days ago in part showed a deep concern of lack of cold beautiful beer on the Canning.

    ------ there is this theory
    there are 51 wells not alll have water, why so many wells?

    Canning was a cunning man, provided water in some wells and beer in others. Could this be true? Think of outback traveller Murray Rankin and his trolley...or was it his beer trolley. The ruined wells with ice cold beer hidden in them are well nos ..........ahhhh

    Go Pies!! :1drink
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  15. snowypete

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    Den,

    Still at early stage, plenty of interest but no definate 110%. I'm doing it too desert pilots.

    I noticed you are trying something similar as well but from the other side of the country. Hope all goes well for you.

    One concern was from the cane cutter, how they said they went through 70ltrs from Coober to Ilkurlka. Perhaps big bikes, cause from what I've heard of the AB its not a very difficult road. so fuel economy should not really be that bad. As far as traffic is concerned because of the opening of the road house, its given people like us a real chance of accomplishing something new. So through traffic will be increasing from a very low base.

    Thanks again for your help earlier.

    The more people enjoying our outback on bikes the better.

    sno :norton
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  16. LaudJohn

    LaudJohn Been here awhile

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    Just went out and bought a 20lt Steel Jerry can at Aldi, $30.
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  17. snowypete

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    G'day Gnarly,

    If I spoke German I'd say Das ist gut!!!!

    For 30 bucks I'll get a couple myself. Have you done any outback rides on your DR650?

    Your post a couple of days ago about the AB, Gunbarrel & CP........riding the gun from either Wilnua or Carnegie station the next fuel is at Warby. The Connie Sue starts close by (its a rarely used track) and heads south to Neale Junction. In the past we have done this but then across to Cosmo Newbry but this time with the Ilurlka roadhouse now open for business, it gives unsupported riders the first chance ever to make it to CP just under 800km.

    This offers a great challenge.

    sno (as a kid used to live in bomber land but Go Pies!) :lol3
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  18. snowypete

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    CaneCutter -2 wheeled petrol tankers..

    Don't have the guiness book of records, but CaneCutter and your mate must hold the record for carrying the most fuel unsupported.

    83ltrs ..that is an absolute fantastic effort!!

    Did you expect the fuel use? 70ltr to Ilkurlka from Coober which I think was about 775kms (11km per litre).

    Sno :clap
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  19. J_B

    J_B Mid-life Crisis

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    [​IMG][/URL][/IMG]picture of my DRZ , Fuel comprised Safari Tanl 28L , 2x 8L fuel bladders, 10L plastic jerrycan on a side rack plus 2L coke bottle Total Fuel 56L

    The fuel baldders were in a saddle bag that hung over the tank.

    Also onboard was 10L water, jerry can on the other side rack and a 10L water bladder. Total Water 20L plus a camel pack.\
    [​IMG]

    The setup was shithouse with toooo much weight up top and too far back. The bike was a pig to ride and too heavy to pick up with the weight up top.

    Made it into the Roadhouse with maybe 5L to spare.

    Good luck its a nice track and we passed maybe 4 cars in 3 days.
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  20. Cane Cutter

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    I will atempt to get a photo of the bike setup.Each bike has a 30lt safari tank,a 2 into 1 exhaust with a 15lt tank where the left muffler was,a 23lt back jerry flat on top rack and 2 extra 6 lt throw away bottles as reserve.The track is sand which is smooth and the hardest ironstone corrigations you will ever see.It took us 2 and a half days to get to Neil Junction which was 1 day more than expected which gives you an idea that speed was not possible.Given the amount of fuel we then used from Ilurka to NJ and up the CS i dont think we would have had enough to go from west to east cos them big orange suckers can suck that opel crap in huge amounts to make hp.We passed 1 vehicle from CP to Ilurka and a lot of c
    amels.Get all the permits and enjoy the ride.
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