Mexico and Central America Ride Planning and Road Wisdom

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Jeff Munn, May 30, 2006.

  1. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    Hey Chris,
    I'm glad you made it home okay. That was was so cool running into you in Gauchochi. I knew it was you the moment we passed. You are the intrepid man.
    Why don't we plan on running into each other next year. Saludos, Jim
  2. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    you can pay your deposit in US cash and you'll get it back that way (on the north side of the country atleast).
  3. Aventeren

    Aventeren Been here awhile

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    Howdy--

    I'm leaving on early next week for a 2-3 month Mexico and Central America trip. I was planning on following IdahoSam and Radioman's route to the bottom of the Copper Canyon, but it looks like it may be difficult to get to Batopilas at this time? Does anyone have a Google Map route link, Google Earth KMZ file or GPS route that they could post to this thread that would outline where the construction is happening and which roads are out of commission? Also, if there is a back way in to the bottom, does anyone know what the status is?

    At this point, I was planning on riding from Creel to Cusarare to Samachique to La Bufa and then to Batopilas. I was then planning on coming out through La Bufa and then to Samachique and then to Bajisochi to Rocheachic and then south to Guachochi and then to San Pablo Balleza, etc. Does anyone know the status of these roads? If they are out of commission, can someone please give me a linked together route using cities as waypoints? As a sidenote, I'm pulling the towns from the latest Guia Roji...which is rad by the way.

    Thanks! :beer
  4. kobukan

    kobukan almost gnarly

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    I was there last week. Main route to Batopilas was not passable - see here or here.

    The best way to Batopilas currently seems to be the route from Guachochi through Yoquivo to Batopilas. I didn't ride it, but others have said this is a good route, and I spoke with a Copper Canyon tour van driver at Villa Mexicana in Creel who said it's a good dirt road that they use to get to Batopilas in their tour vans. He said this route takes them about eight hours from Creel in the van - probably faster on a bike. I think it's close to 100 miles of dirt road from Guachochi - I'm sure others have ridden it recently and have better info. Hope that helps.
  5. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    +1 on this; you just don't want to attempt it if its muddy.
  6. Sjoerd Bakker

    Sjoerd Bakker Long timer

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    Aventeren , if, as your profile statement suggests, this is going to be your FIRST trip through Mexico and CA and on a GS1150 it might prove more enjoyable for you to omit the trip down to Batopilas, regardless of which route you pick. Just be happy with the more accessible places around the CC and try out some of the less destructive gravel and dirt roads . Don't get yourself into the deep doodoo this time, especially not as the first part of such a long tour .No need to wreck the bike tooo early :D and I am sure Batopilas will still be there in a few years. DO take the trouble to visit La Sinforosa view area south of Guachochi , great scenery and some dirt roads to sample getting there, which coukld be an experience .

    And buls4ever, Yest the $85 to $100 figure mentioned could be construed as an average DAILY expense for the two of you combined , really you can do a nice trip on that average expense.
    The Tourist Card will be for 180 days ,regardless of how many days you are planning for, so that is a fixed price.
    The only way to pay less is to not get a TC and spend your days in the frontier zone:rofl
  7. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Well, not always.

    Here is the reminder of Lone Rider's experience this year

    LINK

    For the casual reader here, yes, typically the TC & TVIP will be issued for 180 days but as we read with Lone Rider, it will pay you dividends to verify, even if you clearly tell the official that you want them for the full 180, to prevent happening to you what happened to him.

    And as Lone Rider affirms in his last post to his thread, one should check their docs carfully before leaving the window. Don't give it all a review outside at your bike. In the presence of the official, check all the data, but especially the VIN on the TVIP and the length of validity of both the Tourist Card and the TVIP.
  8. Aventeren

    Aventeren Been here awhile

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    Thanks Kobukan; I'll make sure to talk to the locals to get an idea on which is the best way down when I am there. Bummer. However, like SB says below, it's not going anywhere if I can't get down there this trip.

    Take care. :beer
  9. Aventeren

    Aventeren Been here awhile

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    SB--

    Thanks for the advice. My brother and I are planning on getting lighter bikes in the future for trips like this, so I definitely won't be pushing the limits too hard on this trip, as picking up this fully loaded bike is, well, interesting. This entire trip is about seeing new places for me, and I don't have any hero buttons to collect at this point.

    Thanks! :beer
  10. MikeMike

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    Don't fear the reaper and don't trust the Roji.
    The reaper is never wrong, the Roji often is.
    One can lead to the other.
  11. noshoes

    noshoes soñando con México

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    Wow! Profond stuff there. May be my next sigline...
  12. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan There, that's it

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    Yep! Twice now I've had the Migración officer at Allende hand me a visa for 7 or so days and was fortunate enough to catch it and have him reissue for 180 days. Last time, heading to Veracruz, he questioned my request for more than 7 days and I answered that I would be returning to Mexico later that summer. No real problem - just a "gotcha" to watch out for.

    Have never seen a TVIP issued for less than 180 days.
  13. Kiko

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    Major changes in Mexican immigration rules will be implemented in two weeks. Many of the laws encourage immigration. Some of the visas now include lifetime status without renewal and also include right to work provisions.
  14. Pedro Navaja

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    That sounds attractive! Keep us posted.
  15. Sjoerd Bakker

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    Yeh, I totally missed that post by Lonerider back in April as I was occupied more with actually riding the KLR down there.

    Truly important to read the aduana and migracion papers the instant you recieve them, so you can protest and get corrections. Just as important though to make sure you express your instructions emphatically,clearly.
    .But DO NOT volunteeer excess information, for instance that you are heading to Guatemala and beyond. Repeatedly I hear from travellers doing a world tour that they were issued a 30 day transit pass for Mexico when they had expected a 180 day tourist card which would have allowed them to lazily tour Mexico.. It always turns out that they talked too much, revealed that they were on some huge trip to South America.
    Just HUSH UP, none of the border folks need to know that.They just hear that you are a transient and hit the 30 day button in their brain. If you cross the border your destination will ALWAYS be some location in Mexico, comprende ?. Does not matter at all if you never get within sight of the place.
    Funny thing about getting confused about how the date is written.
    The USA and colonies are about the only ones which still constuct this information in the muddled order of month/day/year..Every date on ADV posts confuses me , until the day of the month is 13 or later.

    The international standard is to go in graded steps from the fine exact day to the more general month and then year. Very simple- specific to general. 04/05/06 is 4 May of year 6 of the agreed to century
    On some wiseguy questionaires they want it in inverse order of year/month/day , still straightforward order
  16. going south

    going south hero & Zero...

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    That sounds great, Please keep us posted!!!
  17. tricepilot

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  18. MikeMike

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    Good one! Classic!

    Changes in immigration? Damn, when I think about all the fun I had becoming a resident I am deeply disappointed that others will not be able to share in such merriment. I tell you, the damn country is going to hell in a handcart! :deal
  19. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan There, that's it

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    Once they started allowing Canuckistanians in, well........it was only a matter of time.
  20. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    :rofl