Mexico and Central America Ride Planning and Road Wisdom

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Jeff Munn, May 30, 2006.

  1. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    If you go through Belize to get to Tikal, the road is fine. When I there there was a short section just North of the Belize border that was not paved. I think its all paved now. If it were me I would take the new road from Mexico straight down to Tikal as I'm not a big Belize fan. Buena Suerte!
  2. gring0loc0

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    Yes it's pretty much all paved, easy to do on road tires. However, I'd suggest going through Chiapas, and taking the road from Quetzaltenango to Guatemala City (you'll have fun on these roads on a VFR, for sure), and making a side trip through Coban and to Tikal, then down to Honduras. If you go straight from Belize to Tikal, then Honduras, you'll miss some of the prettiest parts of Guatemala.
  3. sunquest

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    Just met 4 riders from Guatemala here in San Cristobal they confirm good paved roads TKS for the input from both of you Guat we go
  4. Pedro Navaja

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    I'm looking at a Saltillo bypass route on my Guia Roji and would like to know if anybody has been on this route.

    Please look at map 21 in your Roji. Here is the route as per map recon:

    1. Grid B2, NE corner. Locate where MEX57 meets with the secondary road veering to the southwest. Get on the secondary.
    2. Then to the rail stop of Estacion Sauceda, then to the smaller Ramos Arzipe (as opposed to the larger one next to Saltillo), then to the intersection of MEX40.
    3. Southeast on MEX40 to San Antonio and then to La Rosa.
    4. Southwest at La Rosa on the secondary to General Cepeda.
    5. Coming out of General Cepeda are two secondaries heading east. Take the eastward secondary that is furthest south. This takes you through El Rancho Nuevo, El Derramadero, San Juan del la Vaqueria and then puts you at a fork of MEX54 and MEX57 south of Saltillo (an important intersection).

    I'd like to know if any of you have taken this bypass and the condition of the roads. A google flyovers indicates pretty isolated on the stretch along Estacion Sauceda. I'll be on the baby Nighthawk 250 with d/p tires.

    I've been through Saltillo several times and would like to try a different route, hence the recon questions.

    Thanks in advance,

    Mike
  5. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    That's a heck of a detour! :rofl :rofl
  6. Pedro Navaja

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    Haha! Have you taken the route? I'm not sure it will cut down on any time by skirting Saltillo but would probably add time. I would get a look at General Cepeda before heading down to Zacatecas. Still debating with myself on whether to take this route or cross at Laredo (I always have this debate with myself). Internet recon shows there's an evangelical bull riding school and ranch up the road from General Cepeda. It's run by Gringos.
  7. MikeMike

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    Evangelical bull riding school?
    I have got to see that!
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  9. SteveTheLocal

    SteveTheLocal Been here awhile

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    In Hautulco now and heading for Lake Atitlan and points south. Is there a preferred border crossing?
  10. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    This has been said before but in rural Mexico: Guerrero (Alcupulco state)
    there is a growing movement.

    https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ayut...,1.234589&gl=us&hnear=Ayutla,+Mexico&t=m&z=10

    it's best to quickly move, after Zihuatenjo (Ixtapa), on the main road (200) south to Oaxaca state during the day, blowing by Alcupulco as fast as possible and staying out of the rural mountains at places like this area. We're the good guys, but you don't want to draw attention to yourself if it can be avoided.

    http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-self-defense-squads-battle-violence-082925460.html
    http://news.yahoo.com/photos/armed-...ck-entrance-community-el-photo-082925770.html

    Others can point out safe harbors to stay, if need be, in the State, heading south after Zihua. Just a heads ups for all to see & understand.
  11. MikeMike

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    Wonder how Pena Nieto' s new plan for a national gendarmes force is going to jive with the rural protectionist movements?
  12. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    I was headed to P. Escondido several years ago and was tempted to take this Ayutla route to the coast from Chilpancingo. When I inquired about it I was strongly discouraged from taking it. "Muy lejos, y falta de vigilancia" they said. I took their word for it. Guerrero state has always been a bit sketchy up in the remote mountains. Sounds like a good place to avoid.
  13. Old-n-slo

    Old-n-slo Burnin' fossil fuels!

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    Ran into a similar group last winter taking the "slow way" from P.Escondido to Oaxaca. Just south of Santa Maria Ayoquezco. They were very serious about what they were doing and I realized quickly it was best to do as directed. Had no real trouble.
    JohnD
  14. MikeMike

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    The area I was in last Thursday, Soledad de Atzompa, had another incident with the locals dealing out justice to two narcos.
    Police presence was heavy on the Thursday and the beat down of the bad guys happened on Sunday. Of course, the state government's attorney general went after the local vigilantes instead of pursuing things with the bad guys.
    That's how it works in the current political climate here.
  15. eakins

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    Northern Mexico / Nogales entrance:

    Sonora is on a big push to open up more areas to be explored.
    Future Alternative new coastal route to San Carlos (Guaymas).

    Some is done, some is not. Right now the new road is just opened to Puerto Libertad & there is still just the old inland paved road south from Puerto Libertad to Kino Bay. If the road does indeed happen south of Libertad to Kino along the coast, that will be an awesome stretch as it's mountainous too!


    Easy entrance (Lukeville/points west vrs Nogales)
    Avoids Hermosillo all together
    More interesting ride along the coast (15D is way boring)
    You can overnight in Puerto Penasco, Puerto Libertad & Kino too.

    http://www.lasdunas.com/costera_hwy.html
    http://www.castawaysrockypoint.com/coastal_highway.html
    http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=51567
    http://www.grupoconstructor.com/gc_004.htm
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/18171509@N00/sets/72157603347464217/

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  16. PirateJohn

    PirateJohn Banned

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    It's been over 10 years since I was in San Carlos but that's a magical place. It's a gringo sailing community for folks that don't know, and a well-known singer that does the faux Jimmy Buffett circuit lives there.

    All good news as far as I am concerned.


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  17. stormdog

    stormdog Been here awhile

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    When you say "the road to Puerto Libertad" Are you refering to the dirt road from West of Caborca to Libertad or is there new road North to Desemboque ?
  18. Jeff Munn

    Jeff Munn Just along for the ride..

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    This thread once had a sticky. What happened? Is this not applicable anymore?

    Moderator?

    jeff
  19. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    See the current sticky at the top of the list here in Trip Planning
  20. Jeff Munn

    Jeff Munn Just along for the ride..

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    Ah! Perhaps they should rename it the "Mexico and Central America Ride Planning, Road Wisdom, Hotels, and Safety Issues.

    Because it covers way more than just Mexico.

    Jeff