Mexico Roads Questions

Discussion in 'Americas' started by cwc, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. stormdog

    stormdog Been here awhile

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    Not to hijack a thread, but,
    I used Sjoerd's guide book and some of CWC's Copper Canyon tracks on a ride this last spring and would like to thank both of you for sharing your hard work with the rest of us.
    Though I must say the route from Satevo through Morales and down to El Fuerte was one cobbled up dusty sun of a gun on the 990.
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  2. cwc

    cwc Been here awhile

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    You're welcome.
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  3. Lone Rider

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    Yellow Brick Road...:)
    You already have a good brain, obviously.
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  4. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    I'm thinking about taking the road to Batopilas, new, old, whatever I need to do. Will be 2-up on GSA. Not skeered of dirt but don't want to be crashing either. Any recent info. on road conditions and driving times would be appreciated. Jim
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  5. Sjoerd Bakker

    Sjoerd Bakker Long timer

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    Jimmex....driving time as from what starting point ?.. near the route to Batopilas?
    Just recently read a post here which said much of the road down into the canyon is now paved already.
    Before it was paved you could easily use up two 3 or... hours just doing that 60km route from the start of it at
    the main highway at Samachique. It took that long not necessarily because it was so difficult but because it was so spectacularly scenic that one would be a fool not to make frequent stops just to stand and gawk and take it all in.
    Just because it is now,or may be ,mostly paved that will not detract from the scenic vistas and you will still need a couple of hours .
    But really if you start the leg to Batopilas at Creel for instance you can make it into a day's ride , ,just pace yourselves on the big bike and get to the town in the afternoon. None of this racing in and back to Creel in one day just because the new pavement might make that possible. All the wailing about the ride being ruined just because of pavement is nonsense. There are still, and will be for a long time , many other unpaved roads to explore if one is so inclined and averse to pavement.The roads are there to serve the Mexican population living there, not for the prime purpose of giving us motorcyclists a playground.
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  6. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    Sorry should have been more clear; I'm inquiring about the new detour route around the construction from Samachique to Bato. Also whether there are days when you can go through the construction zone on the old road that is being paved? Thanks. JIm
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  7. BoulderGuy

    BoulderGuy out ridin'....

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    Jimmex, the "new" road from Samachique to Bato might be a bit much for 2 up riding. It has a few nasty sections. (rode it in December, maybe they worked on it?) But I can't imagine the classic/origional road from Samachique to Bato is closed during any rumored construction since it's the only real way to get to Bato. The classic route is an easy day BTW. 3-4 hours without a camera, 5 or 6 with a camera. Definately spend the night in Bato. 2 up on a GS, I would highly reccomend the classic/traditional route. It's spectacular!
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  8. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    Thanks, I've done the regular route many times but had heard that it is completely closed while they work on the switchback part of the road. I will find out in all likelihood next week. Saludos, JIm
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  9. BoulderGuy

    BoulderGuy out ridin'....

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    Jimmex, I would think that if the main route is actually closed they will have spend some time fixing up the new road so people can actually get to/from Bato. It's a nice route BTW. That new road also connects Bato and Urique pretty directly without having to go the long (but nice) route that skirts Tubares. Have fun!
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  10. Tury

    Tury Been here awhile

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    Jimmex;

    As many AdvRiders know and for those that are new commers to the canyon, the new road under construction to be paved, the crew is just a few 3 kms after Kírare ( Quirare ), exactly at the view point where the 1st bridge down at la BUFA is spotted.,due to topografic conditions no crossing is available, Sometimes locals on both sides exchange transportation, but when needed the best way is to go to Guachochic, take the road to YOQUIVO-- ABOREACHI--BUENA VISTA--LA CARBONERA.
    From la CARBONERA to the intersection of the oiginal road passing by the airstrip is only 16 kms going down, from this intersecction it is 6kms to BATO.
    From Guachochic to LA CARBONERA it´s 35 KMS,by the way this road is being prepared to be paved to connect to TUBARES passing through POLANCO,SAN MIGUEL ( site of one of two bridges at the SINFOROSA RIO, the other is at GUERACHI ).
    It´s wise to go to the site where the road crew is and find out if it passable,46kms back and forth paved.

    The other route to BATO is from SAMACHIQUE taking the new ( has about 3 years) road that heads to URIQUE and makes a loop to BATO ( SAMACHIQUE to BATO 120 kms, not for 2 up.)

    CWC and his Pandilla (gang) from Minnesota were the first to do that route, second was Burt Gunn and riders, It´s a must for lighter bikes, solo,. Fortunately it has rained quite a lot, so the roads are maintained after the rains have passed.

    While at GUACHOCHIC have dinner at los ADOBES rainbow trout and ask the owner,Sr Chaparro about the route to BATO, he knows it very well !:deal
    Hope this quote is of some use
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  11. kobukan

    kobukan almost gnarly

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    jimmex,

    Let us know what you find down there for roads. I should be about a week behind you headed down from Sierra Vista AZ.
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  12. jimmex

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    We rode down to the overlook just below Kirare and encountered the construction zone. The conditions were quite muddy and the construction seemed to be at a lull. We could have gone through downhill but were concerned about the trip back up. This was confirmed by Beemer67, an intrepid soul I have traveled with in years past, who we ran into in Guachochi the next day. He related that he had spent 2 days stuck in Batopilas Canyon trying to get back up to Samachique via the detour route one day then the Yoquivo route the next. He ended up paying a guy $100 to haul his bike up the canyon.
    Awesome country. :jose
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  13. kobukan

    kobukan almost gnarly

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    Thanks for the update jimmex.

    What's with all the mud? I thought t was warm and dry down there this time of year.
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  14. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    Big rain last week. They needed it.
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  15. kobukan

    kobukan almost gnarly

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    The road has dried out, but it was not passable today due to the construction work just below Kirare.

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    Old road
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