Michigan Helmet Laws - A Detailed Look Into a Newly Helmetless State

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Anywhereness, Dec 9, 2012.

  1. Wraith Rider

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    Mainly I use the seat belt because the car beeps disturbingly if I don't... However, I survived two total write-offs without being belted and one crash with my helmet scratched badly in the height of my left temple. Me thinks he used the apropriate safety systems at the apropriate times.

    We have. As well as a mandatory seat belt law. But being a law and being bullshit isn't mutually exclusive. Of course we have more problems, but this problem is the one that's discussed here and it's the one that concerns me (with 15€) every time I ride without a helmet.

    Why? You just told us the same lame stories about motorcycling is sooooo evil in comparison to ANYTHING else, but NOTHING that could change any sane mind. Why did your opinions change?

    That's a point I love the German constitution for. It says we have the right to live the way we want to, so it's - for example - our right to feed doves or walk around even it's not explicitly stated. Of course these rights can be restricted by laws... but... every citizen should question every law that restricts this basic right.
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  2. PhilB

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    +1. This.

    And of course the "cost to society" argument could be made equally well against motorcycling at all. Or skydiving, horseback riding, rock climbing, every other activity that carries any extra risk. By arguing that a person does not have the right to ride without a helmet, a person is at the same time arguing that he has no right to ride a motorcycle, and would have no leg to stand on if all the moms and ER docs in the country banded together to outlaw bikes. You have the right to choose your own risk tolerance, OR you do not.

    In a country that respects your rights and liberty, you have that choice. If you don't have that choice, your rights and liberty are not being respected.

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  3. PhilB

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    That's fine, and you have that choice. No one, anywhere, is saying you can't or shouldn't wear your gear. But just because YOU can't imagine riding without it does NOT mean you have the right to force others to. Free people get to make their own choices. If you're not allowed to make your own choices, you aren't free.

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    So, IOW, the fact that we have already let the government violate our freedoms by making us all pay for other people's bad decisions is a good reason to let them violate our freedoms even more. Wrong direction. (And, BTW, another good argument for not letting the government take over healthcare entirely.)

    +1.

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  5. PhilB

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    So, force should be applied to everyone because YOU are not responsible enough to behave without coercion?

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  6. PhilB

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    You aren't my mom. You have no right to make my decisions for me. ANY of my decisions. You can take your control-freak authoritarian bullshit somewhere else.

    The Constitution does not list all of our rights, not even close -- they only tried to list the ones that were most relevant to political freedom. And it specifically recognizes this: cf. 9th Amendment "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    We have the right to liberty. And liberty means making your own decisions about your own life, provided only that you don't violate someone else's equal right to do the same.

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  7. jacksgp

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    I don't care what you do.
    I always wear a helmet....everytime. Why?

    1. I like myself alot and it makes "perfect sence" to wear protection.

    2. My family feels the same way and why give them any reason to worry about something I can can control. Seems selfish not to consider their concerns...

    Stay Safe
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  8. GlennR

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    I just love arguments about our rights...

    So, in how many states can we ride helmetless , to a gay marriage, while smoking a joint? :huh

    How many states have laws protecting us from the soccer moms on cell phones?

    We live in such "busy times". I'm having a hard time keeping up with it all.
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    One. WA. :1drink
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    Helmetless, in WA? No. without insurance, yes.

    I believe the correct answer would be Colorado.
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    parents that send snot nosed kids to school when they are sick are a higher cost to society than all of the above combined
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  12. Offcamber

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    Not buying the whole "your on a public road paid for by tax payers, its privilege argument". We all pay taxes and registration to use the roads. Wearing a helmet or not only effects the rider so the government should leave that to the riders choice. As has been stated cost to society is negligible at best and there are many other activities that cause far more.
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    Well as my Dad was fond of saying to me in my youth.. "Son, If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough!"
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    Social engineering authoritarian bullshit. How apropos that you live in DC, arguably the area with the least understanding of this country. This is relevant to helmet laws, how? Except that further legislation restricting individual choice follows your agenda.

    Back on topic: I grew up on Oahu, and helmets were mandatory for years. My dad and I agreed that if the law were repealed, we would probably not wear helmets in the valley we lived in. But if we went out of the valley, to downtown or on the freeway, we would wear them.
    Unfortunately, by the time the law was repealed, I had already been T-boned by a car, and had my helmet (and my left leg) seriously damaged. Had I not had the helmet on, I'd be dead from hitting the curb headfirst.
    My dad wore a helmet all the time until he quit riding, and I still do, regardless of the law. If other people want to go lidless, fine by me.
    The 'cost to society' argument has not been borne out statistically in any study I've seen.


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    But if you are on your way to to a gay marriage they look the other way. (or so I'm told):lol3

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    When we, as a nation, allow our rights to be defined by "what it might cost the government", we will cease to be a republic governed by the rule of law, as originally framed in the Constitution.
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    Wake up! It has already happened.
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    ^^^ I'm actually quite aware of this. I was being........gentlemanly.
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  20. bridwell52

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    Its an endless debate. I dont give a fuck what you wear for protection. If the state mandates it, tough shit move some where else if you dont like it . If its legal for no helmet and you die at a 10 mph collision, to fucking bad, you had your choice.
    Does any body have any crack to smoke while i dont wear my lid. Who gives a fuck?