Middle Bore DS

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Rusty Shovel, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. SportsGuy

    SportsGuy icanhazdirt?

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    Not to worry, Rusty. ;) I was legitimately concenred I missed some stunning deal on 690's when I bought mine... ;) LOL

    Totally agree - when you're in for 9800 clams, a few more oysters ain't a deal breaker... (IMO) ;)

    Best of luck with the hunt!
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  2. jasonmt

    jasonmt Been here awhile

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    My KTM 530 EXC I sold a while back had 450 hours on it when it left - motor had never been any further apart than valve checks and a few shims.

    Burned no oil and still had OK leak down numbers, more off road than on road use as well. Not my choice for running down the highway at 100 km/h but I would not be afraid of racking up the mileage on one.
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  3. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    As to the 310, the trans is waaaaaay too narrow for DS/ADV duty. It is brilliant on single track, but just isn't versatile.
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  4. Grreatdog

    Grreatdog Long timer

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    Whether a close ration transmission works really depends on your own definition of dual sport rather than such a broad generalization about it not being versatile enough. My MXC has a very close ratio transmission. Yet it works just fine for my kind of dual sport duty. I wouldn't want to drone down the freeway at 75 mph on it. I have the 640 for that. But it handles backroads and especially city duty just fine. So far I haven't killed it by riding highways with it pinned and it is a two stroke. Plus it works better offroad.
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  5. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    Fair enough, I get impatient if I can't get up to 60-65ish on the long connecting sections. The way trails are out here you have to be geared pretty low to make it up some of the technical hill climbs, but then you are topping out around 45-50mph on the roads. Those connections can be up to 20 miles, so wringing the bike's guts out for that long is not very enjoyable, neither is riding on a road for damn near an hour at 35mph. Though I can understand how things could be totally different in MD and the bike would work well.
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  6. fastdadio

    fastdadio Still gettin faster

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    Sometimes, less is more....:deal
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  7. Rusty Shovel

    Rusty Shovel Adventurer

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    I went down to the Yamaha dealer today, intent on plunking my downpayment and buying my WR250R.

    I sat on the bike in the show room....then I sighed.

    Yes, I **sighed**

    Like a gay.

    I apologized to the dealer and left with my cash in hand.
    .........

    Life's too short; I'm ordering my KTM 500EXC tomorrow morning. I'll post pics when it arrives. :evil
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  8. zxrider11

    zxrider11 Been here awhile

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    Hard to get excited about 21hp
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  9. SRG

    SRG SRG

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  10. bobnoxious67

    bobnoxious67 Baby steps...

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    Smart man. Follow your heart/passion...you should own the bike that makes you look at it with lust, and want to ride it:deal
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  11. avgas

    avgas amateur

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    I own a wr250r, and although I really enjoy it I think you're making the right choice. It's the perfect bike for some people, but a bit boring for others.
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  12. plugeye

    plugeye unforgiven

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    the dr650 was too heavy
    if it was me, i'd get the wr250
    lose 20-30lbs & feel the power increase with each pound of weight loss
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  13. Rusty Shovel

    Rusty Shovel Adventurer

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    Hey all,

    After an epic round of hand-wringing, I finally landed on a WR250R. I went to the KTM dealer, again with cash in hand, and the KTM salesman talked me out of the sale. "These are race bikes," he said.

    I don't really agree that I couldn't ride the 690 for my intended purposes, but the guy's arrogance really turned me off--as if I wasn't worthy to ride a KTM because I'm not sponsored by Red Bull.

    I liked the guys at the Yamaha dealer, and in the end, that made the difference. I've since paid another $1000 on pipes and programmers and the result has been satisfactory, for now. I'm not beating my chest over the power, but I'm not tearing my hair out either.

    I just rode the East Texas 500 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=881555)

    and the power was sufficient. Truthfully, though, when loaded down with gear (and my bulk), I wish I had another 10 ponies. When I'm not carrying the extra adventure gear the bike has more than enough power (about 95% of the time). If a middle bore bike doesn't come out in the next couple years, I'll likely throw on a bore kit.

    Why does no one make a decent middle bore bike for 'regular' folk? I would buy it tomorrow!
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  14. Kommando

    Kommando Long timer

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    Because they're idiots.

    Find a good deal on a used '02-present DR-Z400S. Put a decent seat on it and strip off some weight. Throw in a wide-ratio gearset and then pimp out the motor and suspension. It'll have more power and gearspread than the DR650SE, with similar weight and suspension to the WR250R. If you shop carefully, you could probably do this for about the cost of the new WRR.

    Fuel injection isn't really needed to have a fun and capable moto. Ecotrons could probably hook you up if you disagree.
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  15. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    that's the 10 million dollar question ALL of us have been asking? :scratch
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  16. CuzinMike

    CuzinMike Treedragger

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    I could be mistaken, but I'd imagine a lot of it has to do with tiered motorcycle licensing in a lot of countries. Considering dual sports are the smallest segment in the industry, I doubt any of the big four can envision much profit in developing a midsize DS that could only be sold to an even more limited segment of an already miniscule market. I'd love to be proven wrong, though!
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  17. LittleRedToyota

    LittleRedToyota Yinzer

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    horse crap.

    you gotta be careful about listening to "guys at the shop".

    my plated 2009 450 xc-w has 250+ hours on it including highway miles/hours (and hare scrambles). still on the original piston and still running strong. and, get this...i have yet to even have to adjust the valves.

    with the 6 speed, wide ratio tranny, it isn't even working all that hard on the highway--it just cruises along. hare scrambles are much harder on it.
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  18. bobfab

    bobfab Long timer

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    This is the route i have gone. I pulled the trigger on my DRZ in 09, citing that the WR just wasnt enough power, and now 4 years later, short of the KTM 500, the market hasnt changed. Buy what you percieve to be the best now because what you are looking for isnt on the horizion for any of "the big 4"

    Congrats on the new bike! :freaky
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  19. ineptizoid

    ineptizoid I'm scared hold me

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    If Yamaha came out with a WR450R dualsport that had long maint. intervals and a wide-ratio 6-spd. like their 250, and priced it reasonably, it'd be a huge hit. "Huge" being a relative term, of course. Dualsport sales numbers are low enough that I doubt we'll see Yamaha (or anybody else, for that matter) produce the bike many of us want anytime soon...

    Sad but true.
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  20. mknj671

    mknj671 Been here awhile

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    The KTM 500 is hands down one the best dual sport bikes ever built, pending you are 95% dirt and 5% pavement. Anything over 10 miles of pavement riding takes its toll on me even with the wheels balanced, the seat is is not comfortable, it vibrates a good bit especially at higher RPMS (60-70MPH) and if you are running aggressive DOT knobbies the bike wanders a bit.

    It performs perfectly in the dirt and even at double the cost of a DRZ400 it is worth every penny IMO - just not a good choice for adventure riding with long pavement stints.
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