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Discussion in 'Southeast, The Lair of the Dragon - The Blue Ridge' started by codyrides, Mar 25, 2010.
IHF - I found your next ride:
For dirt classes it seems the only things out there are Shane Watts and the like (could be wrong)
They are not good classes for "beginner minded" riders.
You would need some intermediate off-road skill or you might hurt yourself / bike at the class.
Seat time is a good instructor
There's a good DVD some guys from Colorado put together as well - Dual Sport Riding Techniques. Not sure what bike you have, but I thought it was a bigger bore DS....650??
This DVD was put together for riders of the bigger, heavier bikes and offers some really great tips. If I can track it down, you're welcome to borrow it. I used it when I was riding my 950 SER and 990 ADV in Colorado.....or, when those bikes were riding me
I don't know much about riding, but I do know this: you cannot ride a big DS like a little one. If you do, you'll get yourself in some deep do-do.
The technique (or lack therof) I use on my Tenere is significantly different than what I use on the 450.
There is a very cool, but sort of "snobbish" 4x4/travel/offroad website that I used to hang out on called ExpeditionPortal.com. Meet some great guys when I had my Jeep, much more my speed of offroading, versus the more traditional "let's see how much shit I can break climbing this hill" local mentality.
Anyway, there are a number of guys on there that are convinced that they can go almost anyway that a 530KTM can, but they do it on GSAs. I don't think that they always ride that way, but they have this air that they CAN do it with a GSA, and do from what I've seen. My argument was WHY? It's rougher on the bike, not as fun, wears you out, etc. Of course, a lot of them are near the desert, but not all. Still, doesn't sound like fun to me, and that's why I ride.
WS, not sure where you're located, but over in Alpharetta, GA, the Honda MSF site offers dirt classes. They have a 2-day dirtbike thing where you do dirt coursework the first day and on the second day you review then hit the trails behind the facility. Decent singletrack stuff. It's inexpensive and they provide everything except food&board. They provide the bike, the gear, etc. The folks who teach it are a blast too.
Sounds stupid and egotistical to me. I'd be willing to bet any of them a 6 pack that they can't. I've seen some really good riders on GSA's, but the weight is limiting no matter how good you are. The undisputed king of big bike off-road is the KTM 950/990, but a good rider will be able to take a 530 to places even the 950/990 will never go.
Yep, that was my line of thinking. Essentially, when I asked WHY?!?!! would someone want to ride some of this super technical stuff that they were riding, I never got a good answer other than "Obviously, you aren't a good rider." No argument from me there!
I enjoy the hell out of riding my VStrom off road on crap most others think I 'm whacked for bringing a bike like that out "wherever" some people don't feel appropriate. Sure it's a handful and in no way could I ever think of riding it as fast or on as technical of terrain as my EXC.
Here in the NJ Pine Barren it's nice to be able to run a 1000cc bike on dirt roads, jeep trails and yes whooped out singletrack. Never would I try and hang with the small bikes but you put a GSA out in those woods and I'll take my VStrom right in with them.
You would never enter the C Class in an Enduro with that bike an HP or even a 950Super Enduro. That doesn't take away from the fact that it might be a blast to try and make a cool loop on the Enduro course just to see how far you can push man and machine.
Yep....its all riding......I had a V-Strom 650 converted for offroad in Colorado....it was a hoot. Used to ride my 525 with a guy on his 1150GS. I was amazed where he could take that damn thing......dont get me wrong, he had issues at times and was completely exhausted at the end of the day.......but he still rode.
Yes like riding a 650 Ninja in the LBL 200.
Smart move? But was fun and plan on doing it again. (Only if its dry )
Thanks everyone for all the responses to my question. I'll search "the google" & see if I can find a copy of this DVD you speak of. It would be cool if you found it but, I'd probably still buy my own copy if I enjoyed it.
I ride a KLR 650, a 450 EXC (non-plated) & sometimes my daughters KLX 140. I'm interested in classes for on & off road techniques.
HappyCRNA: The school in Alpheretta, Ga. sounds like a good idea for both myself & my daughter. I'm around twenty miles West of the Tennessee river but, I might be able to make a short vacation of it.
Shame on you sandalscout. As a fellow KLR rider I thought you would understand the appeal of riding a HEAVY pig all the places the real dirt bikes go.
I miss my XT250 sometimes. There is a decent chance that I'd still have it if it had 5 more HP and was 5 inches taller.
The KLR is probably 130 pounds heavier than it was.
Trust me, you made the right move.
As for a GS-A keeping up with a strong single in the woods, it's against the laws. The laws of Gravity, the laws of Physics, and any law associated with common sense. With a GS-A, you are talking about twice the weight of a 530. I will go so far as to bet a CASE of beer that there are places a 530 will go in Turkey Bay that a GREAT GS-A rider would never attempt.
.....but I would LOVE to see somebody try to prove me wrong!
Cough, cough... you need a DRZ!
I guarantee you the only thing that will get a GS-A into Sequatchie is gravity.
I've had my 950ADV back there before...not all the way down the gulf but a few of the boulder-ed creek crossings. I have much more fun now that I have a 450 EXC. There is a reason some of the GSA and 950 guys have winches on their bikes...when 500lbs goes down...it's a royal PIA to get back up.