mini trail clone/copy?

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by kyhillbilly, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. mikesova

    mikesova Michigander

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    Are you guys plating the z50 clones?
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  2. 3 up

    3 up Les in LV

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    I could plate it and planed to, but I have been riding around this little town I live in and so far no hassles by the man. I will play dumb and get a plate if I'm pulled over. I rode it down the strip in Las Vegas yesterday get lots of strange looks also a lot of thumbs up. Great little bike, had to tighten the chain, motor mount bolts were loose other than that nothing. They go great in the dez just had to lower the tire pressure to about 20lbs had them at 30lbs great on the street sucked in the sand.
    I didn't know you could have this much fun for $1100. I love my 990 Ktm but this little thing is just plain fun.
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  3. scottro

    scottro Been here awhile

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    I'm going to plate mine. It came w/ notarized bill of sale and a cert of origin that says "Motorcycle" not "Off Road Only" and it's on the EPA approved list.
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  4. 3 up

    3 up Les in LV

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    400 mi update needs better chain, I ordered one a DID for $19, motor bolts got loose it started shifting bad jumping out of gear ect found shifting star was loose easy fix and good to go. It likes 10/40 Dino oil no fancy stuff. I'm getting about 79mpg in the riding I do that is 80% dirt. That is about it, a great little bike for $1100 and the foot peg mount is soft for a 230lb rider small jump bends them. I know I shouldn't be jumping it but the suspension is really that good. Just saying.
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  5. Dezzie

    Dezzie Been here awhile

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    My skyteam clone build so far!
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    most of it rebuilt, just usual little things that slow ya down like spacers maching for wheels etc, i dont have those facilities so thats whats going to cause most headaches but it will be fantastic when its all built!:clap
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  6. scottro

    scottro Been here awhile

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  7. Mikegigabyte

    Mikegigabyte Been here awhile

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    got a question for you
    is the tranny 1,n,2,3,4
    slipping out of gear is a really common problem with those engines
    I had 2 do this on me

    but if its a n,1,2,3,4 then could of just been a loose shift start like you say


    although my ct70 does have a 140cc engine almost everything else on my bike is stock, and I try my best to keep it that way
    that means rough riding, bad brakes, bad lighting
    but for a 1970 with 81,000 miles on it I would love to see a clone that old with that many miles still holding up to time
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  8. scottro

    scottro Been here awhile

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    Mine's N, 1, 2, 3, 4. I've got a few China-engine-powered bikes and mine all have the same shift pattern.

    I don't think they're Honda quality. I'd say they're somewhere between 1/2--2/3 Honda quality, but at 1/3 the price.

    Part of the appeal is the cheapness lol. These bikes are a lot of fun for the money.

    Not all Japanese bikes are golden. I had a Honda XL250 that blew out a stator every 500 miles at $175 a pop and I've got a 1981 Suzuki 450 that's gone thru a couple CDIs. (They're $400+ new).

    A stator for these Chinese bikes is about $30. CDI's cost $5-$10. Carbs are $30-$50. A brand new motor with carb/cables/levers/etc is $300. Parts for RC cars are more expensive.
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  9. Mikegigabyte

    Mikegigabyte Been here awhile

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    yeah I came from rc cars and helicopters
    into small scooters
    way cheaper to play with scooters and bikes
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  10. 3 up

    3 up Les in LV

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    Mine is 1n234 and mine was a loose shifting star it shifts great now that I tightened it, I changed the foot pegs and mount, chain. That's it, 500 mi runs shifts great. Rides along at 50mph with me on it I'm 230lbs.
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  11. Woodsrat

    Woodsrat Gone ridin'

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    My experience with the Jialing (Pitster Pro) and the two Lifan semi-auto 125's I have in my bikes has been extremely positive. The Pitster Pro motors that were 1N234 were extremely difficult to find neutral on with the engine running but on the other hand they shifted pretty good.

    The semi-auto Lifan 125's (N1234) are the best bang for the buck, though. Basic motors are $258 to your door and complete motor kits with carb and electrics are $299. An overhaul on a small Honda will cost that much or more and to build one up to make the same power and have a four speed gearbox will cost you a helluva lot more than that.

    There may be a quality difference between the Honda and the Lifan but the only thing I've seen so far is that the connectors on the Lifan harness aren't current Honda quality, more like what you might have seen on a Mini Trail from the early '70's. If you don't like them switch over to a stator with Honda connectors and use modern Honda electrical components. I'd bet the truth be known they're made in China.
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  12. deezildennis

    deezildennis Its a what?

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    Pretty neat to see others on here with them.

    Here's my 2008 American Lifan ct70 Clone. I have a Iron bore 140cc on it and it is fast as Sh!t.

    On the 140 I have about 1400 on the clock all street I think I put 500 or so on it with the 110 which was actually pretty peppy. ..

    Hauls My 235# but way faster than it needs to be with little bitty drum brakes.
    Eats the cheap back tires up as well...I wonder why! LOL! It'll sit at 50-55 with some throttle left over.

    I have a Good chain and sprockets on it as well as a whole can of red loctite and better bolts here and there. Its a runner.
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  13. scottro

    scottro Been here awhile

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    I wasn't sure where else to post this, but since mini ATV's come from China and use the same clone engines as the mini trail/monkey bikes and the thread needs a bump, I'm posting here.

    Wildfire Motors' posted some mini quads (complete w/o engine) to Ebay for $150 each. I figured for that price why not? So I bought 3. Wildfire is only 45 min away, so I waited for some decent weather and went out to pick them up. When I got there, they gave me the "bad" news. There was a mix-up and they only held 2 for me.... however there was a 3rd available WITH MOTOR, that I could have for an additional $150, or they're refund me for one quad. So I took the one w/ the motor. Full auto btw. No shift.

    The crates all fit in the bed of my old S10 !

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    The unboxing/assembling process is similar to the 2-wheelers, but more of it. It's a fun process. The lack of directions is offset by the fact that everything is all clean, shiny, and new. No struggling w/ rusty parts !

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    I filled and charged the battery while I was wrenching, changed the factory oil to Rotella and in about 2 hrs I had a running quad. The carb settings were near-perfect and required no tweaking at all. :) It took a while to inflate the tires because the valve stems were a little odd and I couldn't find a chuck that fit right away.

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    A big problem from the factory is the welded-in steering stops make for a horrid turning radius. It seriously took 50feet to turn a 180. This is probably to keep kids from flipping, but running into things isn't good either. So I broke out the Dremel and went to work on the steering stop tabs. Due to limited access, it took about an hour and 5-6 cut-off wheels to cut away the steering stops. Now it turns on a dime. :)

    The quad is pit-bike sized. It's about the size/fit of a CT70 for an adult. The auto-tranny takes awhile to lock-up and get up to speed, but it will haul my 200lbs around quite quickly. It's a lot faster than I expected, and w/ the steering stops removed I need to hang off to keep from flipping in tight fast turns. The auto tranny doesn't let you slide the rear end as easily as a shifter quad and the tires "bite-in" making it slightly more flipworthy. The plastic body work is chintzy, but the chassis, suspension and underpinnings are simple and solid. It's a hoot to rip around the yard with. I don't think the underpinnings would withstand an adult riding in really rough terrain or taking serious jumps, but for tearing around fields, yards and trails, no problem.

    I don't think I did too bad on this one for $300.

    I just bought engines for the remaining two quads. I got 110cc electric start engines w/ 3 speeds and a reverse. They have auto-clutches. $239 shipped. I've got one installed, but need to do some re-configuration of the shift lever, and I need another 5-6 links of chain because the countershaft sprocket is slightly more forward than the original engine for these quads.

    When it's all said and done, I'll probably have $1100 in these three quads. Not too bad considering they cost $600-$700 each from the online dealers. I may sell or trade 2 of them down the road, but for now they will be fun spring projects.
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  14. wvboy

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    Looks like a fun project.

    I played around with my non clones, a crf 50 and a ct 70 this weekend, got them both running after a looooong down period.

    Where did you pick up the motors? Eventually I'll be swapping out both motors on the mini's with 110's or 125's.
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  15. scottro

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    I got them from Wholesale Cycle out of Akron, OH. http://wholesale-cycle.com/ I bought these 2 engines and the two bikes mentioned earlier in the thread from them. Everything I've ordered has come within 2-3 days of placing the order. They sell the same things on Ebay and their website, but sometimes things are cheaper one place or the other. The engines I just bought were $267 on their website, but only $239 shipped from them on Ebay.

    If you want to put an engine w/ manual clutch on either of your bikes, either Wholesale cycle's 140, or a Lifan 140 from an Ebay vendor will make the bike fly.

    Otherwise, there are several vendors on Ebay selling 125 manual or auto-clutch engines pretty cheap.
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  16. wvboy

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    Thanks
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