Minimalist Touring Thread (250cc and under)

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by SIKLR250, Feb 2, 2007.

  1. motocyco

    motocyco nOOb

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    That's part of what would make it really suck. No location mentioned for Outwardbound, so I don't know where he is.

    Glad I live in Florida; year-round riding weather. :D And when you get off the asphault you avoid the blue-hairs. There is not a week that I don't ride one of the bikes (rare work related trips excluded).

    What this has to do with MT I don't know. Sorry for the hijack.
  2. Outwardbound

    Outwardbound Been here awhile

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    Guess I need to fix that. I'm in Cleveland; land of burning rivers. Just last week I finished shovelling snow. Yes it DOES suck, but family circumstances dictate.

    Someday..........
  3. rockt

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    I feel yer pain, brother. The only good thing is that when the weather does get nice, it's an "event". I think I'd miss the dramatic change of seasons.
  4. Klay

    Klay dreaming adventurer

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    It's been good riding weather for a few weeks now here in southern Minnesota. What a joy!:D I've even been planting the garden already.

    Hope you get well soon, mountain man, bad luck it happened, better luck that you weren't more seriously hurt. I admire the way you're getting your camping rig set up real inexpensively...truly a KLR guy through and through.

    I decided to throw some money at the bike...here's the DR200 with Happy Trails side racks and Ortlieb dry bags:

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    Along with a Cabela's dry bag tied on the tail section, I should have enough room for all my camping gear.

    I also put the bigger front sprocket on which brings down the highway rpm's nicely. So far, I have decided not to modify the bike for more power, based on the reasoning that if I want to maintain higher average speeds, I'll take the DR650 or the V-Strom instead.

    Can't wait to go gravel road touring in the Dakotas.
  5. driller

    driller Twist and Go

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    This weekend was one of the first good ones we have had this year in Maine.
    I tried to catch up Saturday and Sunday.:evil
  6. rockt

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    Klay, (and any other DR200 owners), I have a question for you. How does the DR200 sound compared to your DR650. I have a DR650 and an XR250L and I actually prefer the sound of the 250. While both are quiet, the 250 sounds freer breathing - a little more like a motorcycle should. The stock 650 muffler is a little too muted, though I do like quiet
  7. Klay

    Klay dreaming adventurer

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    The exhaust note of the DR200 is like music to my ears. My wife and I were riding up Rollins pass on the 200's a couple years ago in Colorado and I remember how pleased I was listening to her bike zip along over the rocks.
  8. rockt

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    So it sounds better than your 650?
  9. steve gs

    steve gs Been here awhile

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    The problem where I live is that we have have not had a good rain to wash the salt away from the roads so I'm doing my maintenance (several bikes)until the salt is gone. I am about a mile from graveled roads that can take me anywhere (well almost) but I'll get the work done first.


    Klay;

    Now that you have won the battle of the racks and done your set up, what do you think of your HT/Ortlieb system and do you have any advice for others.

    If I assume correctly you put the 16T on but are still with the 45T wheel sprocket, true?

    I do like the sound of my stock DR200SE as I putt along.

    :ricky
  10. Klay

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    Well, now that I think about it, yes, maybe I do like it better. But I like some aspects of the way the DR650 sounds, too...I like it at full song charging down the road at 80, for example. I guess the DR650 pleases me more by the way it feels when I have earplugs in my ears and I'm cruising down a twisty road at 50 or 55. I can feel the thrumming of the piston as I accelerate and brake, and all is right with the world.
  11. Klay

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    I haven't hauled a significant load with the bags yet, so I'll have to wait and see how they turn out. It sure is a clean installation, though. Yes, I went up one tooth on the front sprocket and left the rear stock.

    One thing I have to say about the Ortlieb bags is that they are not convenient for running errands. They're too much fuss opening and closing. Also removing the bags from the bike involves too much fuss...I think they'll stay on the bike when camping.

    This is the best for errands around town: The classic milk crate, timeless and enduring efficiency. This is my wife's DR200.

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    I laid some sleeping pad foam on the tail section, took two U-shape exhaust clamps and put the threaded ends up under the grab handles so that the threaded ends protrude into the milk crate, then drilled holes in plates set inside the milk crate and bolted the U-clamps to the plates to distribute the force over the bottom of the milk crate. The crate is held very firmly in place. Add a cargo net over the top for security. I think I get the cheap award for that setup.
  12. motocyco

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    Sweet! :thumb

    So utilitarian. So cheap. So MT. :clap
  13. Zapp22

    Zapp22 ZAPP - Tejas

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    Gang - i won't post this on Flea 'cause it will be gone quick if there.
    I do not know this bike or its owner... i studiously avoid houston except to poach motorcycle deals :deal
    Check houston craigslist... there's a DR200 there that doesn't start well and has a few other issues, $500. that's not a misprint.
  14. Klay

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    Dang, sold already.
  15. txrider

    txrider Been here awhile

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    The guy who wrote the book for aerostich toured on an XR650L though didn't he?

    I'd do a tour on small bike except for the fact I'm 6'3 and the 600 class bikes just fit me better, I flatfoot my KTM's with the suspension topped out.

    Even litre bikes and harleys leave me feeling cramped for leg room after a couple days, the real tall DS bikes fit just right. :)

    Some of the 400 class bikes might be tall enough though.
  16. txrider

    txrider Been here awhile

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    If there's any bike you can get a ton of different fuel tanks for it it's a sportster.

    I used to get 55mpg + on mine at 70mph cruise, so even with the small tank it sipped fuel real well and it was high compression 1200s, not an 883.

    I'd probably want new shocks, new triple tree and bigger stronger forks if I planned to make an adventure bike out of one. Probably want to swap the belt drive the current ones have for a chain too i fI was going to off pavemant a lot, couple pebbles can ruin your day with a belt.

    Other'n that can't see any reason why not to. Wouldn't take it places I take my SXC, but that's a different kind of adventure.
  17. rakad

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    I'm looking at some minimalist touring this summer, involving on-road days of about 200 miles. Whicn bike would prefer: DRZ400 or DR350 (the full-street version of each)?

    I'd have a small windshield, a custom seat, and street oriented tires on either one, so take that out the equation.
  18. Klay

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    Given street tires and aftermarket seat, I would prefer the DR350 for simplicity's sake.

    Why the windshield? I find them to be problematic. (I refer to them as "turbulence generators") If you're doing 200 mile days, you don't have to maintain high speeds, so there shouldn't be much wind pressure. Also if you take a spill you don't want to have a windshield to bump your face into.
  19. steve gs

    steve gs Been here awhile

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    Gee, I was able to quote myself, does that mean I will ... :kboom



    txrider;

    We are all on the same page here regardless of what we ride. I have other bikes as well. Sure you can MT on just about anything but the parameter we presented for this thread was 250cc or smaller. Some of us just thought there might be interest in this subject. With the number of views it has logged I think there is.

    My DR200SE kit is just a scaled down version of my F650GSD rig and identical in most details like panniers (same) and a big tankbag(same). I carry the same gear whether I'm on the 200 or 650 other than the makeup of the spares kit. To me MT'ing is about my rig being a more natural extension of myself and greater self-reliance. Smaller bikes to a certain degree get me closer to this objective.



    rakad;

    No experience with the DRZ but give high praise for the DR350SE and others rate the DR250SE highly. It's a matter of priorities, budget, and fit.



    Klay;

    Let's face it there is nothing of greater utility than a milk crate.:deal


    Zapp22;

    Nowhere near Houston but thanks for thinking of us MT riders here first. We all know about the fuel system problems the 200 can suffer from. Hopefully, that buyer will end up here and be one of us.:freaky


    :ricky
  20. Klay

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    I mentioned before that my 200 was starting hard on cold starts. It was acting like it was flooded. So I drained the float bowl and discovered that the vacuum switch petcock was not turning all the way off. So last night I pulled the fuel hoses off again. Now it's not dribbling fuel anymore. Maybe it's an intermittent problem. So I replaced the petcock anyway, and for good measure I replaced the float needle valve also. Since I had the seat off, I checked the airbox also and discovered a large amount of fluid in the air box...maybe a cup or two...enough to soak the bottom part of the foam filter. :huh I didn't want to get in close and sniff it to see if it smelled more like fuel or crankcase byproducts...yuck, cancer-causing stuff. So I carefully drained it and got rid of it. I found the vent tube near the top of the airbox pinched while I was looking around. Anyway, put it all back together and she's starting and running like new again, as good as the day I bought it, after 9,000 miles.

    But since I did all that work at once, I don't know which action resolved the hard cold starting. It's popping off instantly now every cold start since the work.