That's part of what would make it really suck. No location mentioned for Outwardbound, so I don't know where he is. Glad I live in Florida; year-round riding weather. And when you get off the asphault you avoid the blue-hairs. There is not a week that I don't ride one of the bikes (rare work related trips excluded). What this has to do with MT I don't know. Sorry for the hijack.