Minimalist Touring Thread (250cc and under)

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by SIKLR250, Feb 2, 2007.

  1. Little Bike

    Little Bike Air/Clutz Sue

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    I took my xt250 out for my first dirt rides this week and had 3 water crossings - each successively deeper. The last one was about 2 to 21/2 feet deep. Any idea about what the limit would be? What happens if you dump your bike in a crossing? (besides pulling it out and cussing a lot)
  2. MentalGuru

    MentalGuru Crazy Diamond

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    Too deep or a crash while running can equal a hydrolocked engine...
  3. MikeS

    MikeS Fur shur! Vamos!

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    I tried and failed to find a video about "How to un-drownd your motorcycle". The short: If water is in the engine, you need to get any water out before you turn it over! That's critical. Remove the plug, put it in gear and use the rear wheel to turn it over. Lay it on its side or upside down to encourage the water out. I'll use the starter after that point, to get more water out (plug removed).

    Also, drain water from the fuel delivery system (carbs/throttle body) and from the air box. Check engine oil to see if water is there. Definitely change oil after a drowning. You may have electrical issues, wet connections that are grounded and prevent the bike from starting.

    That's the short of it.
  4. richsuz

    richsuz Adventurer

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    OK, so I know what to do if my carburated bike drowns in a river. Been there, done that...

    I have a F/I bike also, and never go into water deeper than 12 inches with that one. Would not know what to do with it in case I droped it. Anyone knows?
  5. MentalGuru

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    Hit the kill switch and stall it before it hits the water. :lol3

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  6. MikeS

    MikeS Fur shur! Vamos!

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    My F650 is FI, but I haven't drown it, yet. I've been in pretty deep water, below the air intake snorkel, but deep.

    No float to drain, just the throttle body. I might do nothing more than drain the air box, tip the bike on its side or upside down to get water out of the throttle body, and of course remove the sparkplug and turn over the engine by hand to get water out of the combustion chamber. The electrics should be adequately protected, except the plug connections may be an issue, especially if the rubber covers are older and cracked. That kind of electrical issue can happen with any fuel delivery system.

    Or, from my experience, quickly jump up out of the water and hit the kill switch before it takes in enough water to kill the engine.
  7. FreckledAvenger

    FreckledAvenger Trainee Stunt Double

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    Well I can answer this one - last year I actually fell off the side of a crossing into deeper water (the bike - a F/I WR250R - was basically floating). After recovering it with the help of others that were around the following was done:

    * Dropped the oil immediately - it was pretty clear that I would have water in there, the water will come out first and probably will not be mixed in ...
    * Removed the air filter - it needs to dry
    * Stand the bike up on its rear wheel - hopefully it will get all the water out of the exhaust system and stop it moving back into the engine (see below)
    * Remove header pipe - I have a stock exhaust system and it appears that water can not get out completely (one person I have spoken to believe it is because of the EXUP value on the WR)
    * Remove the spark plug - this entailed removing the seat and fuel tank
    * Once the spark plug is removed, turn it over - stand back as water will shoot out, keep doing this until it is clear
    * I also had water in my fuel tank - as I had a Safari tank with a breather this merely meant that I would expel most of the water by holding it upside down and waiting for the water (which comes out first) stopped coming out from the breather hose
    * Check your headlight to see if any water got in - I did not do this and I blew the bulb when I checked to make sure everything was working (it was - for about 10 seconds until the bulb blew)
    * Put everything back together ...

    At this point, there was likely to still be some water left in the engine based on the time it was submerged/floating. I was in a somewhat isolated place (Northern Western Australia) however I was only 50km from a town where I was able to get some oil (I think it was SJ rated oil for late model cars - no oil for bikes was available, I was just happy to have something). Fortunately a person nearby volunteered to drive me in otherwise it would have been a very long walk ...

    As I had 6L of oil I did the following:

    * Put in 1L of oil (the WR250R takes 1.3L)
    * Turned on the engine for a short time - just let it idle, no revving, just enough for the crank case to start to get warm
    * Turned the engine off and dropped the oil

    If you have water in the oil, it will be milky white, you will get an idea based on how much water is left (in my case it seemed to be little).

    In my case I repeated the process above with 1L of oil, confirmed that there was next to no water left (may have been a very slight wisp of milky white). As I had enough oil left, I did a couple of kms after filling it up fully with oil, and then did another change. I then did around 20km on the highway and then did one last change.

    I got it to the nearest motocycle dealer (over 300kms away) who I decided to give it to so they could have a look at it. I needed to have the oil changed for proper motorcycle oil anyway. He confirmed that the process I followed would have been what he would have done in that situation. He also confirmed that the WR250R F/I system is designed to be able to pass water if there is some in the fuel (I was little worried about this).

    Hope this is helpful and that you will *never* have to use these instructions ...

    It is nice this topic come up in this thread. This thread gave me the idea to travel from Perth to Brisbane via Broome, Darwin and Cairns on a small bike (WR250R) - in the end I did 17000kms over 4.5 months. I was pretty freaked to have this happen to the bike 4000kms from home especially with more than half the trip left but it got me home without further problems ...

    Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread - I am already saving for another big trip (longer this time) in 2015 ...
  8. Little Bike

    Little Bike Air/Clutz Sue

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    Yipes!

    Thanks all, I wouldn't have so been so casual about that last water crossing if I'd known the consequences of goin' swimmin'! Ahhhh, ignorance, such a blissful state.....

    I'm going to print out the responses and make sure I know what to do. FreckledAvenger - I agree, I hope I never have to use them!
    thanks!
  9. B02S4

    B02S4 Aye

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    Even if the motor isn't running, if fully sumerged and one (or more) valves are open, the motor can still hydrolock, so it is best to go thru the whole dewatering drill.
  10. IDRIDR

    IDRIDR Take me to the River

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  11. Honda Scoot

    Honda Scoot Time To Ride

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    I was riding a 250cc with a DR350, Brother, and a KLR650, Friend. We came to a ford that was 125 yards across a knee deep river. I waded in to find rounded slime covered rocks ranging from base balls to basket balls in size.

    I asked my little brother not to go as it was May, the river had current, and the water was COLD! He said,"MOVE".
    I told him Mom will be mad at me if he gets hurt in the middle of nowhere. He replied, "Its suppose to be and adventure - Get out of the way!" I asked that he wait while I turned the camera on.

    The post above is accurate. Three fifty year olds with a life time of wrenching took 45 minutes to get it sorted and on the road. We did drain the lights as they were half full. I had an aresol can of Wire Dryer cause we've been swimming before.

    Skip to end for the Swim Scene. When asked if he was ok. He only commented on how cold he was. :rofl

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  12. frog13

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    Yea,I bet he was chilly....good effort!.
  13. ThomasVolomitz

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    Hey Duane,
    No wonder he sold the DR350!
  14. Honda Scoot

    Honda Scoot Time To Ride

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    ThomasVolomitz New Old Stock

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    That looks like fun.
  16. Leo.G

    Leo.G Is still learning

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    Some pics of my bike with the sheep skin and one in a breather stop during my last little trip...

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    Sorry for the pic's quality, they were taken with my mobile..
    Greetings!
  17. frog13

    frog13 Long timer

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    Leo,the "skins" look comfy.....I presume you purchased it locally,or not?.
  18. Leo.G

    Leo.G Is still learning

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    It's comfy, but it isn't a realyy great change... I'm thinking that the design of the seat is the problem... But I'm used to stopping within more or less an hour and a half.

    About the sheep skin... I'm studying Veterinary Medicine (Please correct me if it is bad written or spelt) and despite I'm finishing my first year, I'm able to go to some get some practise in some farms that my university has relation with..
    About a month ago, I went there with a group of students, and during a little brake I saw that a guy of the farm was killing some sheeps (they sell the meat locally) and I asked him about the skins... He told me that they were useless to them, so he saved the cleanest one to me.
    Back in my appartment, I cured it and washed it, and there it is.. hehe!

    So it was totally free for me and I learned how to deal with those things!

    Greetings!
  19. frog13

    frog13 Long timer

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    Going to be a Vet.!...good deal!.Man, a person could make some $$$ if they were to get the skins from the farmer and cure them properly, then sell them on the web for the purpose you used it for.
    Good luck in College!. Thanks for the reply.
  20. Leo.G

    Leo.G Is still learning

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    Nah, thanks to you!
    Actually, when I told the guys and the teacher who led us in the duties of the day what I was using the skin for, they didn't even knew that someone could use a skin for that (basically it is the same use they give to the skins for riding horses). And well, now they call me "Che Guevara" (for travelling by bike).. hehe!

    Greetings!