Minimalist Touring Thread (250cc and under)

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by SIKLR250, Feb 2, 2007.

  1. Chadwell

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    Hey Yall, I'm a newbie here, and I appreciate any help I can get. I posted this in the Gear section, but I suppose this thread is more likely to be the spot for these questions:

    I have many gear questions as I have 2 bikes ('79 Honda CX500D and '06 Suzuki DR200), have been riding for about 5 years, and I have pretty much no proper gear... Please don't make this a safety lesson, I know I know.

    The criteria for any of my gear will be: waterproof or quick dry, light weight and packable, and value, in that order. I am very frugal, but not cheap as I am happy to pay the right price for the right gear. I'm planning on doing 3-5 day backcountry trips, devoid of pavement. These trips will be in my home of Southeast Alaska; the weather can fluctuate wildly and rain and cold are always likely. All of the gear I am looking for will be structured around that.

    So here goes, I'm looking for your choice of gear (type/brand) and/or your packing list as it pertains to my criteria. Please don't give me what you carry on your goldwing trike in Baja!

    Luggage: I will be making Nuner (sp) Loop type bags for my bike out of a pair of Helly Hansen rain bibs (Thanks to this forum for the idea!) so that and dry bags, will be how most of my gear is stored on the rear, but I'm looking for a tank bag that'll work well for the DR200 or any other suggested luggage/luggage related gear for such a trip?

    Motorcycle gear: tubes, tools, pumps, spares of any kind and all kinds, mounts? What do you carry for your lightweight offroad trip?

    Any DR200 specific worries/parts/mods I should bring/do to make sure I don't get stranded?

    Also, I'm looking for fuel storage; I don't really like the idea of having a bunch small MSR bottles or having to specifically mount a roto-pak, any fuel cans to recommend? I like the MSR dromedary idea, but I haven't been able to confirm that the fuel doesn't eat the bag?

    Riding gear/camp clothes: Pretty much everything needs to be waterproof or quick dry. Helmet, Jacket, boots, gloves, camp shoes, riding clothes, camp clothes, etc, what do you carry and how much?

    Camp: I should have most of this covered but what I don't have is a packing list or any luxury items that you find helpful on your trips, kitchen, bedding, etc. Also, I'm thinking of getting a new tent, a small two person, freestanding tent. any suggestions?

    Food/water: What do you carry and how do you store it? coming across fresh water here is never a problem but what system do you like best?

    Safety: Fire starting/cold weather/first aid, trail clearing, rope, etc, what do you carry? Pistol for bear protection, how do you/would you mount your pistol for access on the bike?

    Misc: I will be carrying a .22 rifle (folding stock) for small game hunting. how would you mount it or what would you carry it in?
    What pack-rod (spinner would you choose to carry, how would you carry it (tube, case?)
    Anything else that you carry?

    I know that was long-winded so thanks if ya hung in there!

    Thank you so much for any and all help! I look forward to showing yall my progress on my luggage, sharing trip pictures, and learning.

    -Chadwell
  2. Paper

    Paper Multibike disorder..

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    Welcome Chadwell!!!

    As far as gear, I'd recommend Aerostich Darien jacket and pants.. Not cheap, but often available at decent prices if purchased used. Klim gear is also an excellent choice. Again, far from cheap, but you get what you pay for and it's designed for the rider subjected to varying temps and moisture.

    I'll leave the rest to others. My lightweight touring is done on scooter and close to roads. :evil
  3. jspringator

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    My XT225 has a hard time maintaining speed on hills, so I decided I'm going to make a few changes.

    I ordered a Web Cams 89a grind, along with Behive-Moly springs. I'm going to have the head decked slightly to increase compression, and have the head ported.

    Cam and springs have been ordered. Can't wait to get it in and go for a ride. There is a John Hunt Morgan Indiana raid ride coming up. I don't want to miss it.
  4. SAPB

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    Lots of information here, not sure if you already knew about it. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262998
  5. Hawk62cj5

    Hawk62cj5 2 Cheap 4 a KLR

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    Wow thats alot .
    I would go do some looking on the DR200 thread here http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229927 and see how some other guys with the same bike outfit theirs . I use a tractor manual tube wrapped in para cord to hold my tools and my rule is if I need something that is not in it when working on my bike I add it .Most guys carry just a front tube to save from having to carry 2 tubes since you can limp on a front in the rear . As far as carrying a pistol I put mine in my tank bag most of the time but if I was somewhere more remote I think I would sew an holster attachment on the side of it to keep it in easy reach for where I was not at the top of the food chain.

    As for a long gun and fishing rod , Ive saw pcv tubes used for either but I havnt dicided on which way Id like to carry my 24" AR for varmint hunting on my sherpa yet .I think Im going to build something with pcv and metal to protect the scope incase of a drop.

    As far as gear goes there are hundreds of threads in the equipment forum . In a prefect world I would say areostich or klim but I have read of complaints about both failing so they are not prefect. Since its not a prefect world I have first gear that I got on sale for about a third of the price of klim or areostich and it has worked fine for me down into the 20s and has stayed water proof . but ymmv

    I wish you luck and enjoy.
  6. Chadwell

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    Thank you Paper!, That Aerostich Darien jacket looks just about perfect for my needs. Looks like I'd be best off with the DarienLite, as they say it's better for large temperature changes and better for cold weather because it will flex better (meaning I could use it on a snowmachine)

    Too bad the damn gear is more than half the cost of my bike, looks worth it though.

    Thank you SAPB, I was not aware of this thread. Very helpful!
  7. davenowherejones

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    And don't carry any of the guns in CANADA. We will throw you in jail for almost any gun.

  8. Chadwell

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    Thanks! I posted something in the DR200 thread, but searching that massive thing is a problem. I know I put in a lot of stuff so my results may be mixed. If I don't find the answers I'm looking for this way then I will separate everything out. I've never been a part of such a large forum, It make searching for information very difficult. So I'm relying on folks and hoping everyone here is nice to the Noobs :D

    A 24 inch AR is much larger than the 10/22 with butler creek folding stock and 16 inch tac-sol barrel that I will be carrying (overall length is about 27 inches), but my 10/22 is scoped so I would like to protect mine as well. I was thinking of using something like THIS, but it doesn't solve the scope protection problem. Maybe I'll just take my chances and mount it somewhere on top.

    What First-Gear jacket do you have?

    I really love the idea of sewing a holster to the top or side of a tank bag, I had not thought of that. Maybe if I get one that's universal enough I can use it for a variety of pistols.

    OR! I can sew a "belt" (maybe just a thick cam strap) on to it, and thread in any OWB belt holster! :clap

    Thanks!

    -Chadwell
  9. Chadwell

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    Understood. Always good to have the reminders for folks who don't know.

    I live 40 miles from the Canadian border so I have become pretty accustom to all of the regs. The pistols can't go into Canada. Rifles are ok with certain restrictions, and it costs $15 or $25 per gun for a 3 month permit. The 10/22 needs to be altered to be legal in Canada but I have the parts lying around.
  10. Ironman606

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    Chadwell what's needed to make your 10/22 legal?? Barrel to short or something?
  11. Chadwell

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    For Americans, we cannot bring in pistols, or rifles with barrels less than 18.5 inches (shotguns too, but 18.5 is required in the US as well unless you have an NFA Tax Stamp).

    Rifle magazines are limited to 5 rounds, except for rimfire (where the regulations are less clear)

    And no "assult-type" weapons, whatever the hell that means and how they judge that I don't know.

    Cost is $15 or $25 (don't remember) per weapon when you declare and you can bring it across the border then for the next 3 months.

    Anytime plan on bringing a gun across I check with my US Boarder Guard friend and make sure that It'll be fine.
  12. Chadwell

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    yup, the barrel is 16 inches and needs to be 18.5. You have to be careful here because many people have guns that are otherwise legal, but since the barrel length requirements are different in the US and Canada, some forget, especially with rimfire carbines.

    The folding stock IS legal however, but I worry taking it across the boarder because you never know how they're going to react so I always just switch it back to the factory stock.
  13. Chadwell

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    No, I'm not sure of that. The rimfire rules are different than the centerfire rules and I haven't seen anything that clearly defines them. In the regs that I have seen, the difference with rimfire and centerfire rifles that are legal in canada is in allowable magazine capacity.

    That being said, A friend and I took his old Nylon 66 with a 16 inch barrel across the border a couple of years ago and they didn't give us any trouble... but at the time, I didn't know about the different barrel length problem. Later we thought we might have just gotten away with something.
  14. Hawk62cj5

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    I have the kenya jacket which I like but if I did it again I would go with the Katmandu just to have a little more length in cold weather . I was going to sew a belt tab on the side of the bag to hang one of my owb holster on .If I do it I was going to cut a plastic jug to stiffen the side of the bag to keep the gun from flopping around so much
  15. Chadwell

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    Thanks, I'll check those out.

    With the holster, My only concern is the one you just addressed with the gun flopping around. That's why I originally was wondering about a rigid mount.

    But, I like the idea of using any of my regular, unaltered holsters, and quickly cinching it down to a tank bag. The other option would be to figure out a way to cinch it directly to the tank.
  16. Rhompin45

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    I just got a bilt explorer jacket. It seems pretty good but I haven't had it in water yet. But for pants I actually use snowboarding pants. They don't have knee pads or any thing but are very durable. What I really like about them is there is a clip that clips on your shoe strings with elastic band that stretches around the top of your shoe so they won't let cold air or water in. And they are very water proof. When it's cold I put pants on under them. as far as warmer weather they are comfortable up to about 70 degrees. For sleeping bag just remember down bags are lighter for the warmth but do not do good when they are wet so I would suggest otherwise. I Can't say much for gear as the coldest it gets here is about 30 in the winter but I ride year round and I stay warm with what I have. For shoes I use keen hiking boots. They are water proof but breath they use a simalar materal to gore tek. They have good grip keep my feet warm and dry and after 3 years of everyday use they are still holding up well with the exception of the tread is gone. I have never carried a rifle before but I carry a .45 1911 on my hip in an inside waist holster under my jacket. But we don't have to have a ccw here in az. To Carry my gear I strap a hiking backpack to my back seat. It has a waterproof rain fly that goes over it for added protection. Plus if I wanted I could park the bike throw the pack on and do some hiking and camp out. The down side is its big and crowds me while I ride.
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    I tried to post an avatar pic with my set up but with out a computer I don't know how to resize pictures.
  18. Klay

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    Let's talk motorcycles here, not gun stuff. You know who you are.
  19. Birdmove

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    I have had good luck with the Bilt products. You can even get some of the stuff from Amazon.com. They make an inexpensive waterproof boot that I like. Also, I lost my favorite pair of Bilt rain pants about a month ago. They aren't the cheapest ones, but are about $25 or so. These have a good sized velcro'd pocket on the front of the left leg. I think their stuff is a bargain.
  20. Chadwell

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    Roger that, though for my situation bear protection is required motorcycle equipment.

    But, I believe I have found that my solution will be to mount it to my tank so no need to discuss it any further.

    Thanks for getting us back on track, is there anything you might be able to help with? Seems like you might have some of the information I'm looking for. Packing list maybe for this kind of trip?

    Thanks, I had not heard of Bilt.