Mobil 1 15W50 or Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W50 in my R100 Airhead?

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  1. disston

    disston ShadeTreeExpert

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    This is a point I raise every time Oil comes up. This is why I buy BMW or Spectro oils. I don't know the exact content of these oils but I believe they are high enough.

    If you look back to post #8 Backdrifter posted link to another discussion on another forum about the content of ZDDP in motor oils. The letter from Pennzoil is interesting and may have bearing but it is 2.5 years old. Things change awfully fast in this game and I would like something more current.

    I was in Advance Auto yesterday and checked the oils out. There was one, I forget the name brand, but there was one that mentioned it had ZDDP. It did not say how much but it was the first time I have seen ZDDP mentioned on an oil label.

    The other thing I noticed was that every single oil they had for sale had a rating of SN.
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  2. georgesgiralt

    georgesgiralt Been here awhile

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    Hello !
    It is funny to see that in France, the French Total makes oil for classic cars. There are mono graded oils for very old engines and a multi grade 20W50 for engine made between the 60's and 80's.
    I think they have sensed a niche market :D
    These oils are delivered in 5 liter metal cans, and priced accordingly...
    Of course no mention of the composition nor the actual content of specific additives, but as they are formulated for old engines, one may think they have the proper additives they require ?
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  3. Airhead Wrangler

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    I'm betting it was Brad Penn. Pretty popular with the classic car crowd.

    http://www.penngrade1.com/zinc.aspx
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  4. chasbmw

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    Valvoline VR1 racing oil contains 1800ppm of ZDDP and is now their recommended oil.
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  5. STUFF2C

    STUFF2C We Ain't Left Yet!!

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    I have a friend here in Orlando that has over 400K on an airhead and he runs old dead dino's only.

    I have over 100k on mine reg ooil only.
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  6. photomd

    photomd Been here awhile

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    Doesn't SG rating meet our need for ZDDP by definition?:ear
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  7. TINK

    TINK Been here awhile

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    That's my understanding, but I could be wrong. :hmmmmm
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  8. Steve G.

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    Not even sure if this stuff is even available here. I know Duckhams has been gone here for 15 yrs.
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  9. chasbmw

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    Benchmark works is a US base business who sell a wide range of BMW stuff.
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  10. kantuckid

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    Back to my question: how do you/I look up the ZDDP for an oil thats sold at retail on my local shelf. I'm not questioning anyones information but it would best to look it up oneself as desired. Maybe call the tech line for every oil? Thats how I happened onto the fact that Quaker State was pkg walmart full syn on the same line as the green full syn. Equipped with being able to look this info up you could keep up as the contracts likely change all the time as maybe the additive pkgs too.
    As many car oil have moved toward the "0" ratings I've begun wondering what I "want" for my newer vehicles. As an e.g., Toyota changed the suggested oil for my truck from the one listed in the manual, much of that would seem to be related to making the EPA/MPG figures happen? I worry about the "0" oils in the summer...
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  11. Bluethumb

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    Not to muddy this up even more, but....

    Corvette forum ( same concerns, oil w high Zinc ) says Valvoline VR1 Racing does not have the high levels of zinc needed due to the fact that it's street legal oil, cat converters. Goes on to say Valvoline Racing oil, which states on the bottle Not Street Legal, does have the higher levels of zinc.
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  12. chasbmw

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    Not according to Valvoline who state that all the Valvoline VR1 racing oils contain .13 zinc and .14 potassium, sold in various viscosities from. Straight 30 to 20-50
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  13. BMW Kurt

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    That's what I use and I have never had an oil related issue. I NEVER use synthetics in my airhead. On my hexhead I only use synthetics.

    Now, if I can just fine ethanol free gas for the airhead I would be in heaven!
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  14. Bluethumb

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    ChasBMW, where did you get those figures? A while back I sent an email to Valvoline requesting data on the amount of ZDDP and never heard back.

    Is it possible oils are formulated differently for the US market vs European?

    I'd love to see some current data on the different oils we're talking about. With all the testing labs that exist its hard for me to believe that this information isn't readily available. I've done numerous web searches and can't find anything current, within the last two -three years.

    Reading a post where someone writes that they have xxx,xxx miles using XYZ oil with no issues is not the best info to go on only because for everyone who's has a good story, there's another rider who tells of pitted cam followers using the same oil.

    Objective data from a third party sure would make this easier.

    For the record, I'm using Brad Penn
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  15. H96669

    H96669 A proud pragmatist.

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    I bought a new gspd in 91'. It now has 142k on it. I have never used nothing but 10W40 valvoline and there has never been a wrench on the motor other than adjusting the valves and re-torching the heads. So is motor oil motor oil???
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  17. Steve G.

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    The ethanol problem is perhaps the biggest issue against any 10yr old and older bike. It's too bad it's so inconsistant in the U.S. In Canada, it's consistantly 91 octane with the big 3 suppliers with 0% ethanol.
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  18. kantuckid

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    After google looking for ZDDP level in the T6 Rotella (I just put in my oilhead BMW) it is @1264 PPM vs the Mobil 1 V-Twin @ 1700 . The Rotella is cheaper in Wally World for $21 gal.
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  19. disston

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    Somebody mentioned minimum ppm earlier. I don't know who's figures these are or where they are from. It may be nothing more than "sales talk". What's the minimum that one should have and what's the ideal? Is there such a thing.
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  20. photomd

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    I *think* SG should have 1200 PPM.
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