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Discussion in 'Vendors' started by toowheels, Dec 27, 2009.
I'm interested in the top rack as well
Bayner, you already were on the list ThirdCoast and ba I have put you on the list too. Please email me; firstname.lastname@example.org
I just want to be sure there is no confusion over the Givi mounting.
I have a Givi E36 Monokey box that can be top or side mount. It uses the two post and one latch mechanism to lock on. This is what fits onto the MOD F800 GS Top Rack. It's not the typical Givi plastic top piece and associated top cases that fits on the rack.
I'm still trying to figure out exactly which other models fit on but so far it seems it's the E36/E45, E360, B36N, E52 and maybe the new TRK33N Alu./Plastic. So it seems like all MonoKey cases will work. It's difficult to tell as they don't show any of the actual mounting for their cases.
That's it for now...
Can't wait for the racks to ship!
Pretty much all the Givis seem to use the same plate. On the 1150GS you would add an adapter plate in order to position the case more to the rear.
The E189 is specifically for the 1150 but Givi makes a generic plate that can be bolted to anything. Like this E250
Great looking Products dave. I am still awaiting my Wild at Heart Crash bars and will then be sending you pics to check compatibility of the Skid Plate. I will also be needing a rear rack. Do you have the price for the rack determined yet? Sorry if I missed it somewhere?
Thanks for the info on that Motoriley. The plastic mounting plates look different but on closer inspection they function the same.
Here is a pic (caution- poor phone pics as I broke my camera a week ago) of the finished MOD F800 GS Top Rack (Tail Rack). They turned out very well!
The price on them is going to be $119.99 CDN (No gpracer171 you didn't miss it as it still had to be fully figured out).
Just to go over the features again;
-two position fore and aft adjustment for solo or two-up riding
-RotoPax top mount, top mount with L bracket and side mount with L bracket. There is a rib welded underneath the rack that reinforces the Rotopax side mounting. Side mount is for 1 gallon fuel pack only! More on RotoPax below.
-Givi top box mount option. The two holes near the top that are "off on their own" are for the two Givi mount pegs. The latch block mounts into the rear centre slot. You just need to use larger washers to make the rear block work and washers to space up the two pegs. You may also want to run rubber pads to keep the box from "rattling". The E36 I put on didn't seem to need it as the contact points keep it under pressure.
-KISS top box mounting. Yup Keep It Simple Stupid. This was the last design change to the Top Rack. Two of the holes were changed to squares which enables you to run carriage bolts from underneath the rack and through two holes you can drill into virtually any box. For those of you who don't know carriage bolts have a square section under the button head at the base of the threads. Take a Pelican for example. Drill two holes using the rack as a template, get two carriage bolts of the right length, some washers and nuts and you are done! It's easy to get your hand underneath to feed in the bolts. This way you can afford to have multiple sizes of top boxes too for different occasions. We plan to make our own hardware kits for this later on to make it a tool free operation.
-The rack mounting slots are key holed so you can remove the Top Rack without removing the hardware completely. (Thanks Motoriley for that idea!) This enables you to swap around all of the configurations without fumbling around with the spacers and bolts. The stainless steel bolts are extra long to facilitate this. The spacers are CNC machined aluminium with a bit more shape than just straight cylinders...we couldn't help ourselves;
-Of course a full compliment of slots for strapping stuff on and the slots are lined up so that they are still accessible with the RotoPax flat on top.
-Black textured powder coat finish. Not as slippery as the smooth finish of the 2nd proto. and it hides marks, scuffs and scratches better.
Whew, I think that covers it.
The website will be updated shortly with all the pics of the different configurations but they can all be found on this thread too.
For the US customers wanting to buy RotoPax to go with the Top Rack go here; http://www.rotopax.com/
They also run a ADVrider 10% discount, code; advrider. You have to not only put the items in your cart, but register as a new customer before the discount code will be accepted.
When we do start selling RotoPax we won't sell any to the US because there is no point. It's less expensive and less shipping time and $$ for you to go direct.
Once again the side mount is only for the 1 gal. You could put a 2 gal. on top or stack two 1 gal. as well. The 2 gal. is quite big and ugly for a moto.
The weight limit of the rack is 26 lbs. though so don't overdo it.
I think I have covered everything?
A big thanks to everyone for your input and positive response on this.
Shipping begins next week and there is a long waiting list so please be patient with us. We are a really small parts manufacturer. :eek1
The F800 GS V2 skid plate has also now been confirmed with Holan engine bars (and therefore Holan Pro's too). So the V2 skid plate fits;
Adventure-Spec, BMW, Givi, Hepco & Becker, Holan, SW-Motech, and Touratech confirmed so far.
We have also stared another run of both F800 GS V2 Skid Plates and Top Racks to try to keep up with demand.
Any questions please email me; email@example.com
Mods; this thread can be moved to Vendors as now both of these products are in production. Thanks for letting us get feedback on these.
Another dumb question, will the top rack mount up ok with Jesse hard luggage mounts installed. They have a bar that goes across the top and bolts onto the rear tail of the bike?
Not a dumb question, I too have the Jesse racks and want this rear rack. I'm hoping with some minor adaptation the rack will fit.
Hey superhawkrider and blender let me know more about this.
I assume the passenger handles are the stock ones?
How much height does the Jesse crossbar add exactly?
Is it the same shape/diameter/depth for the Jesse crossbar rack mounting area as the stock mounting area?
Can you post a picture of the top of the crossbar so I can see the mounting area?
It may just be a matter of sourcing some longer bolts and hopefully using the same spacers.
Let me know.
Dave: Below are a couple (poor) photos showing the Jesse mounting rack attachment. I measured 1" from the bottom to top where the mounting bolts are. I suspect it's just a matter of using slightly longer bolts (as you mentioned) and the rear rack will go right on top of the Jesse rack. The Jesse rack will essentially replace the spacers you use.
Blender is the rack mounting level now between the mounts?
Then there is the depth inside of the Jesse mounts to take into account too. Lastly it looks like the Jesse bolts are countersunk. Could you take out the bolts and check that out?
It seems that what would actually happen is that I would sub the taller rear spacers for the shorter front spacers and the bolts would stay the same. This would hopefully keep the rack relatively level. If the longer spacers were used the rack would not be level of course.
Is the inside diameter of the Jesse mounts roughly the same as the front mounts?
Dave, damn you ask a lot of questions!
I'm a bit confused on this question. More explanation what you're looking for? Hazarding a guess, I'd say no, the top of the rack mounts are not a level surface. Others out there with Jesse bags please chime in.
I'll take a bolt out tonight after work and get a photo. I do believe you're correct in that the bolts are countersunk. I'm also assuming you want a measurement of a front and rear bolt?
The front & rear mounts appear to be the same diameter and height. I had measured them both at 1" height. I'll verify that tonight.
I was just wondering if I am in your list for the top rack. I can also pick it up anywhere if you have them ready .
BTW, you are talking about the Jesse Bags maybe this video will help if you haven't check it yet.
Measurement of the rear bolt would be good.
[/quote]The front & rear mounts appear to be the same diameter and height. I had measured them both at 1" height. I'll verify that tonight.[/quote]
Perfection needs a lot of answers!
Essentially I am hoping to use the same spacers front and back. So they require the same "playing field".
If you run a straight edge from the top of the front mounts to the top of the rear (Jesse) mounts is it level?
Also the small spacers fit into the passenger mounts and have a flat bottom (countersinking will upset the height a little) and the appropriate outside diameter (.600"/ just under 5/8"/ 15.23mm). By looking at it and measuring it, will the same spacers fit in the Jesse mounts?
You can always use washers to make up a little space.
Danielcc I emailed you.
To everybody on the list for all this time don't worry I am still working on contacting everyone. The whole first run is over sold and another (supersized) run is in the works.
Top Racks haven't started shipping as the hardware didn't show up despite ordering from two different vendors. :ddog
Thanks for your patience.
Monokey is Monokey -- they all share the same mounting specs. So if your setup fits one Monokey case, it'll fit them all. I have an E45 and 2 E22's (or whatever model the 22 liter cruiserish side bags are called), and they have the same mounting points.
Monokeys also share the same key bodies, so if you bought cases separately, you can order a batch of matched key bodies and keys, and replace the ones in the cases so they all use the same key. Twisted Throttle sells key bodies in sets of 2, 3, 5, and maybe more.
Eagerly awaiting the official availability of the rack!
The rear (Jesse rack) mount bolt measures 49.6mm/ 1.95" top to bottom.
Well, it looks close to level. I suspect the "couple of washers" suggestion below would work to level things out if there *are* any differences.
The "front" passenger grab rails will still use your spacers. The Jesse rack bolt mounts are slightly countersunk (poor photo below). I don't think your rear spacers will be needed. What I think might work is your spacers & bolts in the front, and your rear mounting bolts. I might add a rubber grommet/washer between the Jesse rack mount and the rear rack.
Anyhow, I'm going to take a chance on this.
Thanks for sending in the pics and measurements. I have not had the time to mount my jesse's up yet. Spent to much time riding last week. 2400 miles, 5 days, and 4 states on my Dam Tour. Started a new job today and had to get a ride in before it started. Still standing by to order the skid plate and top rack when they are ready for shipping.
Why do I have the feeling that this question is going to delay the release of this product for another month or two?
Just looking at this pic I'm wondering if my Wunderlich crash bars will be compatible with your skid plate. The Wunderlich bars have bars along each side of the bike along (just below) the exhaust and bolt to the center stand. Have you tested for compatibility with these? I'm in Edmonton but would be more than happy to take a trip down there for you to see. I just mounted the bars last night (no pics yet). I will take a couple and post them here tomorrow.
Gee, did you read the rest of the posts? It shouldn't delay anything. A couple extra longer bolts (supplied by a trip to the hardware store) and the rack will bolt up.
The MOD F800 GS Top Racks finally started shipping today!
I'll be contacting those that shipped with tracking numbers.
I have also sent a whole bunch of you PM's or emails. I haven't gotten to everybody yet though.
*Caution* The website says they are sold out and they are, but a lot of you are on the list. If you haven't heard from me yet and you think I missed you or you never sent an email let me know. firstname.lastname@example.org
Thanks and I'm lookin' forward to seeing MOD gear all over the place doin' it's thing!
Thanks for all the feedback on the Givi mounting too.
sarkmych; The Wunderlich's look like a tricky one because of those lower bars but I emailed you and we'll see if we can figure it out.