model specific threads / poll

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by spidennis, Mar 19, 2009.

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model specific threads

  1. good idea

  2. bad idea

  3. I got a better idea

  4. time for a tequila shot!

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  1. spidennis

    spidennis SandStorm Adventures

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    researching gps info is anything but straight forward, anywhere on the web. what we need is a thread on each type of unit, so all the info about that unit is one place, not scattered like a galaxy sized hay bail hiding those needles of information we're searching for.

    also, if you're subscribed to that thread, it'll be effortless staying updated via an email update to the woes and ways of your fellow users.

    Ideas, suggestions, comments? poll time .......
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  2. 9Dave

    9Dave Bazinga!

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    (I'm going to sticky this thread for a bit to see if it gets any more traction than it has.)

    A week or so ago, we had someone go off on a rant about how the "Which GPS should I buy" threadfest was worthless, and how we should have grid of GPS's and features, etc. It wasn't what he had to say that was a issue, but the way he said it, and it quickly turned into a JM worthy thread, and was punted there.

    The main problem we had with all the "which GPS" threads was that n00bs would wander in, not read any prior posts, post the same question as someone else, and never seemed to be doing any of their own homework. So, we created the threadfest that contained the wisdom and reference material from prior questions, and have been punting questions like that there since last summer.

    But - the guy's rant did cause me to think about what might be easily done to add to, tweak, or maybe totally revise the way we handle the "Which GPS do I buy" question, as well as model specific questions.

    One limitation to ADV's search function is that you can't search on 3 characters. So if someone posts 376, instead of 376c, you won't find it. There is a way to search ADV via Google for shorter character strings that is posted in the Ask Baldy, Blame Maddbrit forum. Easy way to search ADVrider

    But the question still exists - is there a better way to arrange things. And then this thread pops up, and in a couple days it received 0 replies. That kind of surprised me as there have been a few opinions expressed about how the present system wasn't working.

    So - if you have an opinion on how to rearrange things, post 'em. We'll read them, and see if we can't tweak the format a bit.

    Dave
    ADV Mod

    :ear
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  3. spidennis

    spidennis SandStorm Adventures

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    dave, I'm surprised too that no one in now several days had anything to say. I'd hate to think that adv guys/gals were just being too shy to post! does a blank vote equal a "No" vote? and not even a vote for tequila? well, it is spring so maybe everyone is out riding again? anyway, separate thread fests for each model still seems like a good idea to me.

    btw, I didn't see that thread that got punted to jm as I don't always get to all and every part of the site, usually just a few, but normally it's the subscribed threads that get my attention. I'll go see if I can dig that thread up ...... oh well, it must not be on the first three pages in jm anymore .....
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  4. Railbender

    Railbender Long timer

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    Maybe! :huh I think it would depend on what you call "Model Specific". i.e. Do you have one for each Garmin Streetpilot model; 2610, 2620, 2720, etc. or just 2XXX. A lot of information would apply to all models and a lot wouldn't. I would hate to see 937 different model threads. Perhaps semi-model specific such as Streetpilot, Zumo, Handheld plus one for Mapquest. Of course you will never please everyone. :D

    :freaky
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  5. joenuclear

    joenuclear Planning.....

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    I've got a Garmin 60 series, a Garmin 376c and a TomTom 910. They each have interfaces that range from slightly different to "What were they thinking" different.

    I would like to be able to go to a thread specific for each model so that my limited search skills wouldn't be so frustrating.
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  6. tbirdsp

    tbirdsp REMF

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    I think I once said - " I don't know which is worse, a hundred new "what GPS do I buy?" threads a day or one giant thread which is impossible to use."

    It does kinda suck that the advrider search won't work on 3 character items.
    *I* know how to use Google to search the site but many noobs (who are the most likely to need a search) don't.

    Model specific threads would be good in some respects, but it still isn't going to help the noob who has no clue what model he wants!

    I didn't reply before because:
    1) I don't really think it's a total solution
    2) I don't have a better idea
    3) I don't want to make 9Dave have to go through 1700 replies on "that thread" and sort them out:D

    There are a lot of model-specifc forums out there already too, zumoforums and the 60CSx/Cx Yahoo group to name a couple.
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  7. spidennis

    spidennis SandStorm Adventures

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    I was thinking more of specific user's groups, not a "which gps to buy". Had anyone been to thumpertalk.com? I got a wr250f and there's a forum just for the yamaha 250f machines, wr and yz. In the 450f they actually split that into two different forums, one for the wr and the other for yz. I could care less what's going on in the drz forums, unless I had one of course.

    In our case here though, I have a 2610 and maybe to have a 478, in which case I'd be subscribed to those to threads. I could care less what happened in the zumo threads, unless of course I was going to get one, then I'd be all though it (of course).

    and I got no problem of a noob asking questions, even stupid ones (like I often do), but at least s/he/I would be asking in the right places and there would be knowledgeable users there to help (via email subscriptions).

    so, just would this list of threads look like? ok, I'll start, though I don't really know them all .....and we'll add to it and see what might look good.

    garmin
    26/27XX series : 2610,
    276/378/478 series
    zumo
    nuvi
    60 series
    oregon
    colorado
    76 series
    etrex


    tomtom
    910
    ?

    other manufactures?
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  8. rwamf

    rwamf Follow me

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    If you do this, you should break it up to something like this???


    1. Off Road units with Tracking

    1. Garmin
      • 60/76 Series
        176/476/8 series
        Colorado/Oregon
      Delorme

      • PN20/40
      Lowrance

      • Iways
        Handelds
        XOG
        Endura



    • [2]Street units
    • Garmin
    • Street Pilots,
      Quest
      Nuvi
      Zumo

    • Tom Tom
    • Magellan
    1. SOFTWARE
    • Garmin
    • Mapsource
    1. Delorme
    • Street Atlas
    • Topo
    1. Lowrance
    • Mapcreate
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  9. 9Dave

    9Dave Bazinga!

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    :rofl :rofl Thanks Mike, I do appreciate the thought. But I will be reading all the responses and working with Phil to implement changes as we can.

    Let me steer just a little as we go. I was thinking more of additional threads, than forums. An index certainly makes sense. Probably won't add a bunch of new subforums, but it's not a total non-starter.

    One of the big issues to tackle is how to deal with all the "which GPS for me" questions. For a while there, we were getting ten or more a week. The threadfest was a response to keep from having the forum clogged with the same question.

    :ear
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  10. spidennis

    spidennis SandStorm Adventures

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    I like the addition of threads rather than forums as well, and we can still have the megathread about "which GPS for me" for the initial and general questions but, once someone starts to narrow down an idea between several different models and goes to those specific model threads, his post shouldn't be kicked back to the general mega thread "which GPS for me" .

    to get a bit off topic, I remember having beer and grub with pilot when he came thru town last year and he mentioned about when this gps forum started, with some thinking it wouldn't go anywhere, ..... and it's growing into quite the animal now!
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  11. 9Dave

    9Dave Bazinga!

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    So what are folks thoughts on the point at which a thread like "should I buy a 2610 or 2730" has legs of its own, rather than the mergefest?

    The standard I try to keep is that if someone asks "I have a 2610, or even 'I'm thinking of buying a 2610 - can I put Topo on it'". That usually remains.

    But if someone posts "I'm thinking of buying an 2610, or something else, that I can run Topo on" that is mergefest material.
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  12. Nata Harli

    Nata Harli Cunning Linguist

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    I think one of the big problems we all have is knowing how to properly search a forum and the built in limitations on ADVRider.

    I accidentaly discovered the tip on how to use a Google search. That was a GREAT help in finding things. Why not make a copy of that thread and post it as a sticky at the beginning of each forum?

    I think you are going to be opening a can of worms trying to figure out the logistics of how to break this forum into many different threads based on makes/models of GPSs. Why not give the search sticky a try and see if that helps?
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  13. joefromsf

    joefromsf Dark Happens

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    A vote against mega-threads. I don't like them at all. Questions and answers are often too often separate by unrelated posts.
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  14. Countdown

    Countdown Long timer

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    I had suggested some time ago using "Index" like in "Thumnpers". Subjects like routing, tracks, model specific, external power, etc. questions. I have also had bad luck with Search for things I know I saw but couldn't remember the "Buz" word.
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  15. AugustFalcon

    AugustFalcon Long timer

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    Just say "NO" to MEGATHREADS!!!

    In what way would a 3,000 post thread on any topic be helpful?

    I am more interested in seeing the individual questions --- I may be able to help or I may have the same question myself and I will see it and read it. That way the threads have a change of becoming organic and taking on a life of their own because people who have an interest in the question will follow and perhaps even participate.

    They do megathreads over in Thumpers --- all T610s, all KLRs, etc. They are worthless next to a thread such as "New WR250R and pictures of her naked" The former do nothing to promote community among all the FFs on here --- they say you gotta have the right bike whereas the latter draws you all in --- if there was a wr250r megathread would that latter thread even appear?

    Let the noobs and the other FFs ask their questions --- if we are interested we will respond, if we aren't we won't. :bash
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  16. Leeb17

    Leeb17 Let's ride !

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    I agree with AugustFalcon. I can't imagine wading through a 1000+ post thread to see if my 60cx can perform some magic I want it to do.

    The Thumper Talk model works well. You'd have to combine some models, but if you start a thread in a multi model section, it makes sense to prefix your thread with model.

    ie Section - Garmin 60cx/sx/....

    "60cx batter cover question".

    Others posted some good ideas/formats.

    As far as the "which gps to buy" type questions. Have a section for general questions. Just like many of the current stickies. If you can't even bother to search, then how you gonna find your way by GPS:D
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  17. 9Dave

    9Dave Bazinga!

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    I'm unsticking this and letting it flow.

    There is a balance between cluttering the forum with "which GPS do I buy" threads and the volume of the threadfest.

    It would be nice to do something like rwamf suggests. That is more like a computer disk file structure, Unfortunately, vB doesn't lend itself to that.

    I guess we'll continue on for a while as is and ponder the possibilities.
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  18. jazzer

    jazzer Lost again... Yeah!

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    Hi Dave,

    I've spent a lot of time going over reviews and posts about which GPS to buy, but it's overwhelming. In a perfect world there would be a questionaire with a rating system of what is important to you..... like where do you travel? roads or dirt? Do you use a mac or pc? What countries? Portable? Waterproof?

    Anyway, in the end it woud give a sugestion to a confused guy like me.

    Ken
    (although I really do enjoy getting lost while traveling)
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  19. spidennis

    spidennis SandStorm Adventures

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    the voting sure seems to be one sided, though I was hoping for a few more tequila drinkers! I finally decided to buy a garmin 478 (yesterday) after invading and going a bit off topic on a few threads. I still don't have all the answers but I guess I'll just figure them out when I get the unit. Now that I'm a 478 owner I wouldn't mind having a 478 user's group thread and then sharing my new experiences with others that might be interested. It could be like an experiment to see if this might work? ......
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  20. 9Dave

    9Dave Bazinga!

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    Sorry for being unclear - I was referring to the "Which GPS do I buy" thread.

    Inmates have always had the ability to start a thread on a specific model and continue to add to it. The SPOT thread is a prime example. It's just that given the structure of vB, there won't be separate subforum for each.

    If you look at the "Lost or Confused" stickie - we suggested similar questions as a way to frame the "Which GPS do I buy" question. But if you look at the posts, there are still dozens of people who wander in with the exact same set of circumstances and post the exact same question, and then we end up with dozens very similar posts clogging up the forum and making it more difficult to get to the unique questions. Hence, the threadfest.

    Countdown mentioned an index. I told him if somene wanted to put a good one together, I'd sticky it. But honestly, I don't have the time to do it if I want to get other things done and some riding, too.:evil That offer is still open. And if someone wants to design a flowchart, or table, or something that would assist in the selection process, that is manufacturer neutral, I'll include that, too.

    Dave
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