I agree 100%, but it's not just the usually slower pace of riding offroad, but that the rear tire and, hell, even the front tire, will lose traction / kick out once in a while, and it's being used to those skills that make for a much better road rider. (Sure, it can be at a lower pace, too, but it's the frequency that I favor more). Same goes for riding the edge of traction through a turn, locking up a brake, riding over minor obstacles, etc. The guys and gals who approach motorcycling (or get turned off by it when they learn that it will happen) with the attitude that "Hey, but I don't want to fall, and I don't want to have my rear tire kick out!" really aren't even ready to start riding street IMHO. Many do, but they seem to make for poor riders. It's not that the rest of us want it to happen, it's that it will happen, and you best have the skills to handle the loss of traction with either tire or know how to roll out a common tip-over / low-side (all much more safe to learn in the dirt). It's the toughest subject I've had to try to get over with all the black girls who used to see my cruiser and tell me they want to learn to ride up there in Riviera Beach. I'd tell them that while it was easy and fun, that the dirt was safer to learn on, to expect minor falls, and that we all tip one over eventually... and they'd be turned off from riding almost immediately. Maybe I should just start lying about that part? After all, we all got through it.